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wfz on 24 September 2010
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Torillian said:
wfz said:
Torillian said:
wfz said:
whatever said:

If there is this all powerful being, where did he come from?


He? You're classifying God as a living being and as all-powerful. I never said God had to be that way. But that's what I'm so confused about, what are the bare-bones basics for qualifying "God?"

Well every religion I can think of the gods are sentient beings and have powers no human possesses so I think that would be the bare bones minimum. 


Okay, but why would you want to limit the idea of God to something like that? I understand that for the sake of discussing modern-day religions, it's important in order to discuss the topic, but then why do Atheists go so far as to discount that God exists in any form whatsoever?

 

Or is Atheism really "We don't believe that any God exists at all like any religions believe, but IT might exist in a different fashion."

But then that sounds more like agnosticism.

But if you can just assign any definition to God like the laws of physics then I could say that if Atheists believe in toasters than they aren't true Atheists because what if I define God as the toaster?

That's obviously an extreme and silly case, but the idea of a god in every religion is that of a sentient being with power over human beings and that is what atheists don't believe in.  It's the same way I don't believe in fate or karma.  The laws of physics  have no sentience about them so I do not see them as a god.

Alright so a God has to be sentient. But what if there is an amazing force out there that started everything and gave order to this world, but it wasn't necessarily living?

Or what if some sentient being created the Laws of Physics and then left this dimension/space indefinitely? Atheists just believe that it is impossible for such a thing?

If we can put a name to encompass everything that governs us, like the Laws of Physics (and anything else) then would the creator of that be considered God? How about that definition? Or what if all those properties just somehow came about by their own, then is it wrong to view inanimate things that govern us as God or Gods?