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FlyingLotus said:

Anyways people saying Red Dead Redemption isn't a new ip look up on what a spiritual successor is.Games like bioshock and demon's souls are spiritual successors.


Then we could say Final Fantasy and any GTA in a new city are all spiritual succesors to the last and therefore they are all new IPs


I'm starting to feel like the majority of this thread will be just arguing back and forth about whether or not something is a new IP or not