Is "teabonics" fake?

[Final-Fan]

Kasz216 said:

Final-Fan said:

Kasz216 said:
A. I do think so... keep in mind this whole thing started because Obama's Kenyan aunt stated she was there when he was born... and then only later recanted.  (Possibly after being told what a silly law the US has when it comes to electing presidents?)  It's not like the swiftboats where the original source was some anti-kerry groups.  This whole thing started due to a family relative saying she was there then changing her story. (Because she wasn't in the US at that time.)

B.  Arizona and New Mexco I'd think would be counted as south.  Maybe not, can't really say.  I'd of liked to of seen a state by state breakdown myself.   Knowing Daily Kos they might of just pulled NY as the West, Illnois as North, California as west and... well there would be no easy slamdunk in the south.  Daily Kos... I only really used because it's higher then you'd expect based on their general bias and placements in poll tracking.

As for California... they don't "care" about immigartion issues really... they go out of there way to be helpeful towards immigrats both illegal and legal.

A.  evidence plz.  I spent a few minutes on Google and only found some nutjob making that claim about the grandmother in the same breath as he called the birth certificate  (yes yes short form) a forgery: 
"But Philip J. Berg, a former deputy attorney general for Pennsylvania, told the Michael Savage talk radio program tonight that the document is forged and that he has a tape recording he will soon release.
"This has been a real sham he's pulled off for the last 20 months," Berg told Savage. "I'll release it [the tape] in a day or two, affidavits from her talking to a certain person. I heard the tape. She was speaking [to someone] here in the United States."
"He said the telephone call was from Obama's paternal grandmother affirming she "was in the delivery room in Kenya when he was born Aug. 4, 1961."

If this tape exists, you should be able to show it to me no problem right?  And convince so many people?  The burden is obviously on you

B.  I'm curious now ... is this just your gut feeling on where you think they ought to go, or is it based on something you can point to?  I've never considered them South -- Southwest, sure, but never South.  Wikipedia has a list of ways people (mainly the US gov't) divides up the country; most of them have NM in West-like region(s) and NONE of them have Arizona in a South-like region.  The regional divisions I would have expected Daily Kos to use are the Census Bureau ones, since there are 4 main regions in that one, and Kos has 4 in its breakdown.  Which has NM in the West. 

And surely you meant to suggest New York as NE and Illinois as MW?  The way you said it, Kos polled 2 types of West (NY and CA lol), polled a "North" region they didn't report, and completely made up their Northeast and Midwest numbers.  

Personally I've thought of the South as more or less the old Confederacy, which is less extensive than the South region in the Census bureau.  (Kentucky, W. Virginia, Maryland, and Delaware being the additions.) 

Regarding California, that may be their attitude about immigration issues, but they still have them. 

A)  http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2008/12/05/birth_certificate
Though they do explain it away trying to say it's a mistranslation... saying yes to "I was present where he was born" certaintly doesn't sound  like anything you could mistranslate.  She might of been confused.  Afterall she'd have to be pretty old... however either being confused or accidently letting the truth come out and having to be corrected are both way more likely.

Guess it was after this whole thing started though.  Anyone who believed it before then... i'm sketchy on.  Still.  Proof is important.

B) Oh they still have issues, it's one of the reasons they do so poorly economically, but when you have a negative attitude towards it, it's pretty hard to say you'd be effected by it since they don't see it as an issue to them.

It's just a guess to me though.  I'd think you'd want to call the confederacy the "South east".

Though yeah, what I mean is... i'd be surprised if Daily Kos didn't go out of their way to try and make the numbers lower.

A.  Well, I tried to listen to the audio but apparently my computer doesn't want to play audio right now.  But I'm glad that happened because it caused me to track down this amazing document (from here) which spells it all out.  It's a read at once edifying and entertaining, but if all you want is the transcript you can skip to page 12 -- or for the real key portion, page 17.  (I was going to paste a lot of it in but it turned out to be pretty huge so I'll do that in a separate post.)

I think you'll agree there was a lot of confusion going on in general, and the translation was not flawless either.  What seems to have happened is that she thought she was saying "yes I was present here in Kenya when he was born (in Hawaii)" instead of "yes I was present here in Kenya when he was born (here in Kenya)"

Keep in mind that at this point one of the translators was asking, "He is asking her that, uh, he wants to know something that uh, was uh you, was they, was she present when, ah, he was born. Were they they there then?"

B.  I don't consider Texas the Southeast.  Or Louisiana really, although if I had to pick SE or SW that's where I'd draw the line.  [edit:  with LA SE.  Probably.]