Is "teabonics" fake?

[Final-Fan]

Kasz216 said:

Final-Fan said:
I've explained the point I was trying to make at least 3 or 4 times now and frankly it seems futile for me to repeat myself again.  I don't see how I was in any way unclear when I said
"I don't mean basically nobody is still unconvinced (remember, outside the South), I mean that if 90% are convinced now, and 10% are either skeptical or not sure, then I think it's probably a negligible amount that would become convinced if the info you want to be released is released." or
"I thought it was reasonable to think that once you've convinced 90% of people on something, getting that last 10% to change their minds is extremely hard, so not many would be convinced by the hospital records.  That's why I mentioned in the South vs. out of the South and Republican vs. non-Republican, because it actually matters for the point I was making.  I don't know how many people in the South would be convinced." or
"the fact remains that, IIRC, according to that poll, 90% of people in regions other than the South (over all parties:  Democrats, Republicans, and independents) already believe this, while a total of 10% are unsure or disbelieve.  At that point, as I said, I believe it's extremely hard to get those last people to change their minds."

I mean, you took a comment I made that I thought was an ASIDE and just OBSESSED over "Republicanness" even though it was just one possible influence out of three or four that were, again, merely part of a side comment:  "As for the south being racist, whether it is or isn't isn't all that relevant to the point I made although my opinion is either that or Republican-ness or just being more ... anti things that seem foreign? ... is what's responsible for the vastly different statistics."  [edit:  and I would like to note that my third possibility sounds related to the one you yourself suggested.]

I mean, I've almost forgotten the reason I'm even SAYING this point, just because I've had to spend so much time telling you and having you not get it or think I'm saying the exact opposite of what I'm saying. 

Unless [edit:  you choose to give a reply that] is just incredibly captivating and compels a response, I'm done with this part of the discussion.  

A.  You could say people shouldn't be 100% sure of most things; I don't think that's particularly more true of this than anything else.  I'm pretty sure the Swift Boat thing was a knowingly (from the principals) false smear job on Kerry -- not 100% but I'd bet significant money on it.  I'd bet HUUUUGE money Obama was born in Hawaii.  

B.  The South gets more immigration issues?  Bullshit -- or at least I categorize Arizona, New Mexico, and California as West instead of South.  Maybe that's not how the Daily Kos rolls...?

2.  Ah.  Well, I just disagree.  Not really much more to say.  If you can provide additional proof and it will take little to no effort.  It is on you to do so... because it would take little to no effort.  Otherwise, you've just not done your work.

Example, someone brings in a 1925 signed babe ruth card.  They show the signature, tell the story how they got it.  9 out of 10 people believe it's the real deal. 

One guy says "I think that card's from 1926.... let me look at the back and see the year."

"No."

The no here is completely unreasonable if you ask me.

A. I do think so... keep in mind this whole thing started because Obama's Kenyan aunt stated she was there when he was born... and then only later recanted.  (Possibly after being told what a silly law the US has when it comes to electing presidents?)  It's not like the swiftboats where the original source was some anti-kerry groups.  This whole thing started due to a family relative saying she was there then changing her story. (Because she wasn't in the US at that time.)

B.  Arizona and New Mexco I'd think would be counted as south.  Maybe not, can't really say.  I'd of liked to of seen a state by state breakdown myself.   Knowing Daily Kos they might of just pulled NY as the West, Illnois as North, California as west and... well there would be no easy slamdunk in the south.  Daily Kos... I only really used because it's higher then you'd expect based on their general bias and placements in poll tracking.

As for California... they don't "care" about immigartion issues really... they go out of there way to be helpeful towards immigrats both illegal and legal.

[edit: ...
A.  evidence plz.  I spent a few minutes on Google and only found some nutjob making that claim about the grandmother in the same breath as he called the birth certificate  (yes yes short form) a forgery: 
"But Philip J. Berg, a former deputy attorney general for Pennsylvania, told the Michael Savage talk radio program tonight that the document is forged and that he has a tape recording he will soon release.
"This has been a real sham he's pulled off for the last 20 months," Berg told Savage. "I'll release it [the tape] in a day or two, affidavits from her talking to a certain person. I heard the tape. She was speaking [to someone] here in the United States."
"He said the telephone call was from Obama's paternal grandmother affirming she "was in the delivery room in Kenya when he was born Aug. 4, 1961."

If this tape exists, you should be able to show it to me no problem right?  And convince so many people?  The burden is obviously on you
[... end edit]

B.  I'm curious now ... is this just your gut feeling on where you think they ought to go, or is it based on something you can point to?  I've never considered them South -- Southwest, sure, but never South.  Wikipedia has a list of ways people (mainly the US gov't) divides up the country; most of them have NM in West-like region(s) and NONE of them have Arizona in a South-like region.  The regional divisions I would have expected Daily Kos to use are the Census Bureau ones, since there are 4 main regions in that one, and Kos has 4 in its breakdown.  Which has NM in the West. 

And surely you meant to suggest New York as NE and Illinois as MW?  The way you said it, Kos polled 2 types of West (NY and CA lol), polled a "North" region they didn't report, and completely made up their Northeast and Midwest numbers.  

Personally I've thought of the South as more or less the old Confederacy, which is less extensive than the South region in the Census bureau.  (Kentucky, W. Virginia, Maryland, and Delaware being the additions.) 

Regarding California, that may be their attitude about immigration issues, but they still have them.