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Smashchu2 on 16 September 2010
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@ Smashchu2

Quote bars are now outrageous.

Anyway, so let me get this straight, a VGC article isn't evidence? So now using a VGC article makes me delusional? So ioi's info is wrong?

It's sad that you would ignore the site's figures -

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly.php?date=40251&reg=World&date=40258&console=&maker=

PS3 229,890 (-0%) 33,747,470

Week of God of War III's release

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly.php?date=40258&reg=World&date=40265&console=&maker=

PS3 243,936 ( 6%) 33,991,406

The week after. The numbers went down?

First, it doesn't matter if the data is from this site, but you have to back up your claims with facts. It is only now that you do so, when it should have been 2 or 3 post back. Also note that I'm using US sales on a monthly basis.

When doing sales analysis, you have to look at bigger, not smaller. A week can easily change due to anything. The Wii was up 2% in the week of GoW3's release. Why?

6% actually means that the game did not drive hardware because the change is so small that there weren't a lot of new players buying the system for the game. You could look at any week and find 6, or 5 or 7 precent increases. It does not mean the game drove hardware and proves that the game did not drive hardware like it should because the increase is too small.

EDIT: Here is an example. Notice how the Wii went up 7% but there was no reason for it to go up. While the top sellers were Wii games, they were games released a while back (two of which were Wii Sports). So a variation of 6% means nothing.

Um, two posts back, I showed you that Uncharted 2 had a boost, you claim it went down. Then, in March, the PS3 had a boost (though smaller than I expected - which I admitted) but you claimed it went down. In both cases you were proven wrong.

Back up my claim with facts, I did so. You used a source outside of VGC, a source known to be inaccurate (Wiki). If you're going to claim that I wasn't using facts, where were yours?

And I asked you 3 questions in the last post. Where are the answers...?

I missed the Uncharted thing. My bad.

Again, it was a week comparison. The NPD numbers showed the month was down. November would be up because it's November.Also, how much was the increase from the Slim model and how much was from the game?

Also, the numbers I posted are not inaccurate because they have a source associated with them. Look at the bottem of the page and you can see the news report giving the numbers. I also checked them against other sources.

Why should I answer your questions? They are just trying to shift the argument to something outside of what we are talking about. The are not trying to prove a claim.

The post you made is trying to "chesse," the argument. You can win on facts so you rely to trying other tactics, like having me answer BS question that we botrh know serves nothing to the current argument. You didn't mention the meat of my last post (which is, that there was no increase in hardware because the % increase is too small and a week is not a reliable period of time). Your argument is now trailing off.

Actually, my questions hold much validity. You claim there was no increase on either GoWIII or Uncharted 2. I refutted your claims by showing you proof available right here on the site. You even went as far as to claim the numbers went down during the weeks of both releases, and showed me "evidence" from a site infamous for inaccuracy.

My argument hasn't trailed anywhere, you just didn't like the answers you got. And if anything, YOUR argument has trailed off.

1. You first claimed Sony's games move no software. 3-5 million in sales isn't "not moving software".

2. Then, when you couldn't really defend that, you switched to hardware. You said their games move "no hardware". Uncharted 2 moved 25% additional hardware the week of it's release. In that same topic, you claimed PS3 hardware went down.

3. Finally, you said the sales of their games will never put them on top. Although that's irrelevant to the topic (which was pointed out to you earlier), it was never a reason Sony won any generations in the first place. Amount of content overall, not how much each individual IP sold.

Your claims have been refutted, bottom line, which now leads me to believe that you will perpetuate this given that you couldn't prove me wrong, factually, just for the sake of having the last word.

In the future, if you claim someone is "BSing" and/or "delusional", make sure they can't refute your claims in any way.

The questions I saw were you saying "What, don't like VGChartz," These would not be helpful to the argument are they detract attention.

1)My claim was always hardware. If I said software, it was a typo (but I hope it would be clear by how I'm wording everything).

2)But data shows that both the month of Uncharted's and GoW3's sales were down over the month prior. This means that neither game could help push software, only in a very short term period (and a week is very short term. For most businesses, short term is less than a year). These definatly would not be Mega hits. If it's only 1 week, how much is that helping? How much of that can we attribute to normal variation?

3)What put Sony on top is that they managed to get all of the third party support, helped by the fact that developers did not like Sega and Nintendo and betted on Sony primarily. There is perfect correlation with when Sony launches and how well they do.

Your claims have been refutted, bottom line, which now leads me to believe that you will perpetuate this given that you couldn't prove me wrong, factually, just for the sake of having the last word.

Someone is arrogant. I have thrown a lot of knives at your argument with no rebuttle. I would love to see your response.