Is "teabonics" fake?

[Final-Fan]

Kasz216 said:

Final-Fan said:

Kasz216 said:
1. Blowing the whistle would be illegal.  For something most people wouldn't have access to anyway, doesn't seem worth your job for something eaisly proveable and trackable.
2. And my point is... that's largely irrelevent.   If you can prove something so eaisly, it's your responsibility to do so.
3&4.  Your acting as if anybody WOULD follow this up.   Who's going to follow ANY of that up?  This is the same country where anyone in the world can get free healthcare by saying their social security number is  123-45-6789.   Who would even have the power and or reasoning to justify it.

All that though to prevent a LOT of hassle.   There is actually no gurantee he would EVER of gotten citizenship if he in fact was born out of the country.  He would of had to have gone through the regular immigration laws... and you know... risk deportation, not be alowed in schools, not have a social security number so would have to lie about it... like above.

If I recall correctly, this was the era white immigration was favored HEAVILY until 1965... apparently by the way was when they added all the family statues.   Which means, if he was born in another country he quite literally would have had the same chances as any other person in that country of citizenship... no more no less... and even then they'd probably have to defraud the government by giving him a wrong address outside of the US.  Furthermore he'd have to do so in a system that had heavy quotas allocating the spots to white western europeons.

So yeah, I think you'd get one friend to help you out, with literally no way of getting caught to avoid your son possible never becoming a citizen, possibly getting deported, never having the full citizenship of an american and having to worry and be careful for the rest of your life.

Seems like a pretty good motive to me.

1.  It seems to me, offhand, that you could blow the whistle anonymously, telling someone (newspaper perhaps) about it and make a stink.  And maybe I'm slow but if it's so easily trackable then why are we having this conversation? 
2.  Point 2 was originally about how many people we are talking about convincing, i.e. Obama's incentive for dragging this topic up again.  And the answer is basically nobody outside the South, and few people outside the Republican Party.  (Please recall the difference between "17% of independents doubt or aren't sure" and "All 17% will notice this and be convinced".)  And a lot of the people still actively questioning this are irrational diehards.  (Remember they were shouting to the heavens the birth certificate Obama DID produce was forged?  Some of them probably still do.)  
3.  It's still a risk they would have been taking that it would be followed up by someone somewhere.  At some point in his entire lifetime.  And again, it makes no sense to me that they would court ADDITIONAL risk by lying about the hospital. 

1.  Because nobody has said... anything about it?  It'd be easy to track who leaked out personal information about someone.
2.  Here your just overstating the matter.    It isn't "basically nobody" and your bringing up a FEW indidual people shouting it was forged, when it was a small amount.  When most of which who wanted the full birth certificate.  Your basically strawman argueing this entire point.
3. Followed up on by... who?  And why?    It wasn't even followed up on when he was a Senator.  Unless his parents new in advance he was going to be President.  (something VERY unlikely in the 1960's.)  I don't see how or why anybody would think this would come up.

Nor do I see how anyone would thing the better alternative was either to risk his deportation for not being a citizen or having to not live in this country possible for the rest of their lives.  As for the hosptial, who knows where, when or why that came into play... can't really tell because the records aren't released. 

Which in of itself is odd, since don't Presidential candidates traditionally release their full medical records?

Heck a reporter or author could of just assumed the hospital basde on location.

1.  Would it really?  Anyway, I asked that question because I did not understand what you evidently meant to say in the previous post. 

2.  I don't mean basically nobody is still unconvinced (remember, outside the South), I mean that if 90% are convinced now, and 10% are either skeptical or not sure, then I think it's probably a negligible amount that would become convinced if the info you want to be released is released. 

And I still think that among the people ACTIVELY pursuing this issue, a lot of them are precisely those people who convinced themselves the short certificate was forged -- and there were more than a "few individuals".  I don't think it's a strawman attack job to say that the ones most likely to dedicate themselves to keeping a zombie issue like this going and going for years are the ones who are convinced their doubts are actually true (instead of just being unconvinced) and these people were most likely to eagerly swallow the forgery story. 

3.  And the hospital thing is IMO a KEY point of failure to your hypothesis.  There is no reason I can see for someone who faked a home birth to Hawaii and the USA to turn around and tell a different, conflicting lie to the public.  It's insane.  If you have no decent explanation then it really weakens your position.  As for the "lazy reporter" hypothesis, A. that's really, really, really reaching; and B. the Obama campaign would have absolutely no reason not to correct (or "correct") that. 

And DO they usually release their entire medical history?  I think the burden is on you for this one.  On a side note, I would have thought that if they did Cheney's disgustingly weak heart might have been mentioned in 2000 ... but for all I know it was and I missed it.