TheLivingShadow said:
Well, excuse me for barging into the dialogue, but this is just wrong and close-minded for the circumstances. Anything posted on this topic will be conjecture. Anything. The one, only true statement one can make is that nobody here knows whether the defects posted by Resident_Hazard actually lower the sales. They can very well be the only reason. Perhaps they play a role but are not the most important factor. Then they may not factor into the equation at all. And finally, they may actually be some of the reasons people in Japan play The Legend of Zelda. There's just no way to truly know without conducting actual scientific research. However, it can be discussed (and that's the point of the topic, to discuss) if the individuals in the discussion are open-miinded enough. Because we're expressing opinions here (and yes, that's everybody here, except for you on your first post when you posted the data which absolutely tells nothing about the reasons it behaves like it does), any reasonable arguement is valid, and Resident_Hazard's arguements are quite compelling (though not necessarily written in the most convincing manner) if you're willing to actually listen to differing opinions. While I disagree with Resident_Hazard's arguements for many reasons, I can't outright tell him that his points are not valid. That's just rude, fanboy-ish and kills the basic point of the topic: to discuss the reasons for why The Legend of Zelda as a franchise is diminishing in sales in Japan. What I can do, however, is try to prove his point wrong (or not valid, if you will) by countering his arguement with my own. Something you fail to do. You're just telling him to shut up, so to speak. I will not try to prove Resident_Hazard's arguements in this post. I might in a later one though, if you are still unable to recapacitate about the way you treat other people's opinions or don't try to prove him wrong. |
In the first place, there is noting particulaar dismissive re: arguments by pointing out that conjecture and analysis are inherently different animals with different implications for an argument.
In the second place, the correlation of staleness with lowered sales ceates a false dichotomy in which more fresh gameplay dynamics would necessarily equate to higher sales, but this isn't the case: one of thhe games that Resident_Hazard mentions as embodying freshness, Majora's Mask, is the worst-selling mainline console Zelda title in every single territory (except for Japan, natch, where it beats out TP by about 100k). Twilight Princess, often derided for being "Ocarina 1.5", is the best-selling Zelda title in every territory that isn't Japan.
I am all for the discussion of topics and the discussion of various reasons as to why something may be the way it is: that's the entire reason this topic exists, and it's the entire rason I've been carrying on conversations up to thisp oint. However, it needs to be said that tone is important in any conversation in which one wishes to build an amiable atmosphere, and it must also be said that one cannot claim to have come to a conclusion by analysis when one has not done so.
