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TheLivingShadow on 10 September 2010
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Khuutra said:
Resident_Hazard said:
Khuutra said:
Resident_Hazard said:

Maybe it's lowering sales have something to do with the fact that the series is repetitive and predictable and reuses the same basic plot in nearly every single game.

You are quickly turning into the very reason I always put guidelines up in most of my topics. Stop it.

Anyway, regardless, no, not unless that's something that only affects the Japanese (it's not).

Wrong to have an opinion based on analysis, is it?  Zelda games aren't perfect, man. Not in a long time.  Nearly all of them have the same copy-and-paste plot, same style puzzles, same length, same set-up and even the same predictable plot twists.  The bad guy is almost always Ganon, the mysterious girl is always Zelda.  The only thing that changes is one gimmick (the Wind Waker or the Skyward Sword, etc) and the graphics.  Everything else is the same.

That's why I hold Majora's Mask and Link's Awakening in such high regard.  Dare to be different.

Not everyone thinks Nintendo is invincibly infallible.  Some of us still love the company and know how to criticize through that.

The idea of these qualities you describe beinig related to flagging sales in Japan is conjecture, not analysis, ergo your premise for validity is in itself not valid.

Don't try to build some strawman about me thinking Nintendo is infallible. I'm not the one.

Well, excuse me for barging into the dialogue, but this is just wrong and close-minded for the circumstances. Anything posted on this topic will be conjecture. Anything. The one, only true statement one can make is that nobody here knows whether the defects posted by Resident_Hazard actually lower the sales. They can very well be the only reason. Perhaps they play a role but are not the most important factor. Then they may not factor into the equation at all. And finally, they may actually be some of the reasons people in Japan play The Legend of Zelda. There's just no way to truly know without conducting actual scientific research.

However, it can be discussed (and that's the point of the topic, to discuss) if the individuals in the discussion are open-miinded enough. Because we're expressing opinions here (and yes, that's everybody here, except for you on your first post when you posted the data which absolutely tells nothing about the reasons it behaves like it does), any reasonable arguement is valid, and Resident_Hazard's arguements are quite compelling (though not necessarily written in the most convincing manner) if you're willing to actually listen to differing opinions. While I disagree with Resident_Hazard's arguements for many reasons, I can't outright tell him that his points are not valid. That's just rude, fanboy-ish and kills the basic point of the topic: to discuss the reasons for why The Legend of Zelda as a franchise is diminishing in sales in Japan. What I can do, however, is try to prove his point wrong (or not valid, if you will) by countering his arguement with my own. Something you fail to do. You're just telling him to shut up, so to speak.

I will not try to prove Resident_Hazard's arguements in this post. I might in a later one though, if you are still unable to recapacitate about the way you treat other people's opinions or don't try to prove him wrong.