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Killiana1a said:
NYANKS said:
Killiana1a said:

RolStoppable should change his username to RolUnstoppable. Talk about taking names of alts and punching in numbers.

Here is what I believe:

The market by the lifetime sales of a game determines whether a game is good or not. Period.

As a niche gamer myself, I went through that adolescent phase in the late 1990s/early 2000s where I thought Mario games and cutesy games were retarded games for little kids. Well, guess what? The games I was playing at the time could not sell a quarter of the copies of a Mario game even if they were marketed equally. As I have aged, I have since come to realize niche gaming has it's place, but niche gaming alone would not be able to support the industry today to an extent where this would be the last generation of consoles.

Gamers, hence the market, are not stupid at all. Gamers want games where you can pick them up and play them without worrying about re-orienting yourself to what level you are at, what skills you need your character to develop, how many collectibles you need before you get the master sword, where the collectibles are, and on. Thusforth, games where you can put them down just as easily as picking them up are likely to cater to a larger audience and sell more.

As for Sony, it comes down to the games and marketing. Sony needs more easily accessible platformers, motion sports games, dance games, party games, and less niche titles such as Shin Megami Tensei, which are loved by a devoted few, but players like myself who are fairly well informed have never heard of because Sony was too lazy to market the game outside of Japan.

Sony is in no mean or shape "doomed." Sony has a lot of classic franchises they can revive such as Ratchet & Clank, Jax and Dexter, Crash Bandicoot, Legacy of Kain and on. Instead, Sony has decided to go with the usual God of War, Gran Turismo, and Uncharted path to such an extent where their PS3 software offerings are just as culpable in Sony being in last place this generation as the initial entry price for a PS3 until the price drop.

Sony should revive a franchise such as Crash Bandicoot. I will tell you with 100% certainty right now, if a Legacy of Kain game was announced by Sony tomorrow, I would be purchasing a PS3 that day.


They don't own Crash anymore.  Legacy of Kain and Persona could NEVER attain the popualrity of a Mario, no matter how well marketed.  Sony makes amzing games, some of the best ever, they're just not all pick up and play like a Mario.

To me sales do not equal quality.  Just because the game is made easier or simpler to me doesn't necessarily make it better.  Is Mario great. Yes.  Is Uncharted great. Yes. 20 million more sales won't sway my opinion.  It's just a fact that people want simple, easy things to mess around with.    If the brain has to work t0o hard, its a no go. 

By your definition, Wii Sports is the greatest game of all time. Is this true?

By my definition, yes Wii Sports is the greatest of all time because it has sold the most. Who have I seen playing it? Seniors in nursing homes, girlfriends, moms, dads, little sisters, and on. It is the greatest because of the  sheer sales and capturing a market that a Final Fantasy game, Uncharted,  Infamous, Modern Warfare, and on could never catch no matter how much it is polished.

Games are first and foremost about fun. Wii Sports is fun. Niche games are fun too, but they are not as great because their sales numbers are indicative of a limited audience who can have fun playing them.

If I wanted to work my brain or think, then I read. I don't come home at 6am from work thinking, what game will be the most stressful intellectual activity? I play games for fun, but it has become convoluted over the years because as niche games have gotten more complex or nichey, players for some illogical reason set these games as the bar for greatness.

A series like Legacy of Kain is great and beloved by many including me, but it is a picnic compared to Wii Sports' three course meal. Wii Sports developers get paid while many niche game developers look for another job once their niche series has run it's course and can't put food on their table anymore.

"Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth."

I guess it just comes down to everyone's standard of quality.  I don't know how many would agree with you here, but we are the illogical players you speak of as well.  Most seniors, girlfriends or little children either know nothing else or can't do anythin more complicated than hold right and jump.  I am fully aware that simplicity = popualrity. Look at movies, they weren't as comlicated as they are now. Mediums evolve.  I think games have the same potential.  Very few people watch the contenders for Best Picture, very few will read a book like The Stranger.  Does this mean Twilight eclipses these works?  Oh opinions, gotta love 'em.

Games are about pure, unadulterated fun.  Many games offer this.