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damndl0ser said:
What exactly do you mean here, I have no idea what you can? Are you saying you can say that pre-orders aren't important? If so see Hyruken's post directly above yours. He hit the nail on the head.
no i didn't say pre-oders don't matter
just saying that they matter in some cases and not so much in other cases
This is true, however it usually matters more for "Hardcore" games than it does casuals. And I think most around here would consider GT5 as "Hardcore".
i didn't read his post,it was too bulky and wall type
The way things work now days is so much different than when GT4 hit the street. A majority of "Hardcore" gamers exclusively pre-order online to get a better deal or something free. And you can all but tell how well a game will do by its first week of sales.
yeah we can have an idea of what it will do first week but nowhere near the figure itself just an estimate
for example uncharted had low pre-orders and it sold almost double first week
Uncharted was a new IP I wouldn't expect it to have a shit load of pre-orders so that example is probably not the greatest.
and we don't know how well game will sell further along the line
"NSMB Wii had way less pre-orders but it did much more than MW2" There is a couple huge reasons that this happend:
1) Casual gamers. You know who they are, the ones who never pre-order games and mostly own a Wii. Simply put there are vast numbers of them on the Wii, not so much on the PS3 or Xbox 360.
sure
2) Brand Recognition. Mario is simply the best known and loved gaming figure in the industry. Like it or not, GT5 has no where near the brand recognition or loyalty that Mario does. Mario has sold more consoles and video games than any other character.
mario is big but not the biggest,yeah when userbase is there the casuals just hop on but i don't agree with it being the best and biggest.i certainly wasn't in GC era
Even during the GC era Mario was their flagship and the GC wouldn't have survived as long as it did.
Name one bigger gaming character than Mario? Just one... GT5 or Wii Sports aren't characters they are brands their is a difference. Possibly Zelda but I doubt it. And yes Mario is milked to death and I pretty much hate him now. But as a kid I loved him and I would imagine a lot of the children growing up have the same type of feelings for Mario as I did.
GT5 doesn't have as much brand recognition but it doesn't need to sell 10m as mario much more than that
? You were using NSMB Wii in your earlier post as an example of not needing pre-orders I just turned it around a little. No one needs to sell 10million but its always good.
abt loyalty,GT has alot of loyalty.i would be concerned more about mario as casuals don't give shit about loyalty
Mario just proved its Brands worth and consumer loyalty with NSMB didn't it? I am fairly certain Nintendo is too busy printing money than to worry about how well Mario is doing. All I can think of is that gif where the Nintendo head guys were printing cash.
abt mario selling more console and games,mario has also been milked to death and has more games than anyother franchise and about console,we can't say whats sold nintendo console and maio alone can't be given credit as wii sports old more than NES than MARIO helped selling
Sure we can, Nintendo was founded on the back of Mario. Yes the Wii has went a different route, but Mario built the company. And still sells consoles, my uncle bought a Wii just because of Mario and he is 45 years old.
Have any other "recent" games done what NSMB Wii has done, without pre-orders. I don't think so, unless it was Wii Fit or something else casual. I am not trying to put down GT5, I am just realistic when it comes to sales. So many people around here think its going to sell a bajillion copies and when it doesn't those same people here will wonder why.
it is realistic for GT5 to sell high
even you would agree it will sell atleast 5m as GT5P did
I believe it will sell under 8 million units probably closer to 6.5 to 7, which is a shit load. And even though it took a hundred years to make it will turn a very healthy profit.
MORE OVER IT WILL HAVE A MUC BIGGER OPENING THEN gt5p so already its more and then it will get bundled
What do you think it will do its first week?
(If it does go on to do more than 10 million I will eat my crow well done and you can say I told you so, but I don't think that will happen).
your prediction you decide
This got turned into another GT5 thread and that was not my intent. I am done with Gt5 talk for today. Cheers.
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