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Solid_Snake4RD said:
damndl0ser said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
bonkers555 said:

I voted 2 earlier but now think about it a little bit more I will have to say 0.  I will say that MW2 have the best chance but GT5 will fall short.  Looking at the Pre-Order numbers for GT5 it looks kinda embarrassing for a Sony #1 (GT5) exclusive vs M$ #1 exclusive (Reach) to have such a BIG gap.

 

yeah it looks embarrasing when previous GT games also hadm low preorders and did do well and HALO only has one game as high as GT main games

So are you saying pre-orders aren't an important part of the process or you can't judge a games excitement level from them?  Another question, did they even have pre orders back then?  Possibly for GT4 but I am almost certain they didn't for the others.  So to be honest you can't base anything on past pre-orders for GT.

pre-orders are important but not always and not with all games

NSMB Wii had way less pre-orders but it did much more than MW2

they didn't track pre-orders back then but you can know when the opening is only 2m whereas now opening are bigger and still GT4 and many other games went on to sell more than the ones that had higher pre-orders

actually i can,if you are on this site and been tracking sales for long times you get to know the different patterns


What exactly do you mean here, I have no idea what you can?  Are you saying you can say that pre-orders aren't important?  If so see Hyruken's post directly above yours.  He hit the nail on the head.

I was going to type out a long drawn out post about the importance of pre-orders and first week sales, but thankfully Hyruken did that for me.  I agree with pretty much exactly what he has said and he worded it so elegantly :D  Thank you Hyruken you saved me at least 5-10 minutes thinking that up!

The way things work now days is so much different than when GT4 hit the street.  A majority of "Hardcore" gamers exclusively pre-order online to get a better deal or something free.  And you can all but tell how well a game will do by its first week of sales.  

"NSMB Wii had way less pre-orders but it did much more than MW2" There is a couple huge reasons that this happend:

1)  Casual gamers.  You know who they are, the ones who never pre-order games and mostly own a Wii.  Simply put there are vast numbers of them on the Wii, not so much on the PS3 or Xbox 360.  

2) Brand Recognition.  Mario is simply the best known and loved gaming figure in the industry.  Like it or not, GT5 has no where near the brand recognition or loyalty that Mario does.  Mario has sold more consoles and video games than any other character.  

Have any other "recent" games done what NSMB Wii has done, without pre-orders.  I don't think so, unless it was Wii Fit or something else casual.  I am not trying to put down GT5, I am just realistic when it comes to sales.  So many people around here think its going to sell a bajillion copies and when it doesn't those same people here will wonder why.  

(If it does go on to do more than 10 million I will eat my crow well done and you can say I told you so, but I don't think that will happen). 




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