Seece said:
BMaker11 said:
...this noise about Obama backing a mosque near ground zero, and it being disrespectful to Americans and blah blah blah. Get over it. It's a free country. We are guaranteed the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. If someone wants to build a mosque to show that Islam isn't all terrorism and extremism next to the attack site, let them. And if someone wants to open a gay bar right next to said mosque, to show them how ignorant and intolerant their hate for the culture is, then let them. This is AMERICA. This country is built on eradicating prejudice and ignorance.
Sure...many Americans don't follow this, and are stuck in they're conservative ways: "this is our country, all these 'others' don't need to be here" <----type nonsense, it doesn't change the fact that America was built upon certain foundations. I'm tired of people thinking certain things like this are upsetting the establishment...even though people have every right to do something like this. I HATE conservative news talk about how "well...maybe people don't like the change and like how things are"...but that in itsself is anti-American because we as a country and a people are ALWAYS changing.
But long story short, this shouldn't be controversy. It shouldn't even be news. It's all within the laws of this nation, and the only people who are making a scene are people using scare tactics. OMG a mosque at ground zero? But the muslims attacked the WTC!". That kind of thinking is what keeps this nation in the metaphorical dark ages. And intolerance of others is what keeps all other cultures in relative dark ages. I normally don't agree with the things that are on Fox News, and I bet this guy is only taking this initiative BECAUSE he's one of the people who believes that mosque = muslim = al quaeda = terrorism, etc and with this knowledge, he's taking one of the more hated topics amongst the Islamic culture, and putting it in their face. But ignoring his beliefs, the action he is taking is a step forward in breaking down the walls we have in this world, and I totally agree with him opening his gay bar. As much as I agree with Obama condoning a mosque to be built next to ground zero.
If people are really that ignorant to think that muslims paying homage to the men and women that died in 9/11 and trying to prove that the muslim faith does not automatically equate to extremism, they really need to just find a gun, put it to their face, and pull the trigger. My two cents
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Pretty transparant paragraph there.
It's not possible it's the other way around, you're so quick to call the people behind the mosque as doing it for the right reasons, yet the gay bar is ignorance and introlerance ...
I think me, and most people are on the same wave length. Them opening a mosque ANYWHERE near Groud Zero is disrespectful. They should be understanding in that a lot of locals there lost family members in 9/11 and if they don't want a mosque there they should respect that. They're selish, only thinking of their own needs.
And you know what, the gay bar more than likely is a retaliation, but I say good on them. Might give them a wake up call to get a dose of their own medicine.
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I didn't say it was automatically for the right reasons. I'm just saying that many are fearing it BECAUSE they're muslims. If a church, or synagogue, or buddhist temple was built there...no one would care. But because it's a mosque, and 9/11 was perpetrated by radical Islamic terrorists...it's a big deal. Not all muslims are terrible people. But a few bad eggs always taints the coop.
Would you get mad if a Catholic church was built next to the home of a child who was molested by a priest? Not all priests take part in that action, so I don't see the problem. In fact, I would accept them making an attempt to put more positivity on their image because like...1% of their populace affects the perception of 100% of people outside of that culture.
Same with the mosque on ground zero. A lot of people did die in 9/11. But it was caused by a man that wants the US to get out of Israel or he'll continue terrorist actions....not by regular law abiding citizens. It's all negative stigma, and once you try and understand others, the stigma goes away.
I could understand why it's ridiculous if someone put like...a Nazi building in front of a Jewish establishment..but that's because ALL Nazi's hated Jewish people. Not ALL people of Islamic faith = terrorist, and I'd bet that the people building the mosque are trying to show people that...but people are so quick to say they are disrespecting the lives lost that they just never get a chance.
As for the gay bar, I back that as well. He's probably be retaliatory because he's one of those people who jump to conclusions (he works for Fox News after all)...but at the same time, the Islamic culture is so homophobic for ridiculous reasons. If you open yourself to understand others, or at least try, you will see that some of the things we believe are just trivial and down right stupid, and this guy opening a gay bar may not be a direct implementation of what I just said, but it definitely is in an indirect way. I was quick to say that the gay bar was intolerant, because...look at the source. Like I said before, he's probably one of the people in the camp who believe the muslims are being disrespectful, so he immediately wants to piss them off. But in an indirect manner (which is what I'm getting at), the muslims will actually have the opportunity to know about the gay community, and that they aren't just sinful infidels who are godless and are going to hell
