Who believes Wii's successor will have better third party support?

[Mr Khan]

Resident_Hazard said:

astrosmash said:

Elistest attitude? Pot, meet the kettle.

I used to think that Mario Party games were "pure crap". To be honest in all the years I thought that I'm not sure if I'd spent more than a couple of minutes playing them. Then I met my wife; the only video games she will play are Mario Party games. So in the years since I have played many hours of them.

Party games still aren't really my thing, and I wouldn't ever play them without my wife or son. But calling Mario Party pure crap is absolute ignorance. They are very well thoughout and designed games. They are absoutely excellent at what they purport to do. People don't buy them because they are Nintendo, people buy them because nobody but Nintendo puts so much effort into party games.

This is the whole thing that so many 3rd parties don't understand about Wii owners; they aren't biased towards Nintendo games, they are biased towards games that are well made. And any company that puts out crap, be it a party game, a sports game, a rpg, a fps or anything else suffers.

If that were true, then drivel like Wii Wankery and unevolved trite like Mario Party wouldn't be outselling higher-quaity third party fare.  Nintendo can make crap, and fans will buy it.  And they'll buy it over higher-quality third party games each and every time--and they generally always have.  C'mon man, Wii Music sold 2.85 million copies, and Monster Hunter Tri only has 1.55 million!  Sure, 1.55 million is really good, but this perfectly illustrates my point.  Nintendo fans care more about Nintendo-produced games than they do about quality.  Usually, Nintendo actually puts out quality--but when they don't, it still sells.

Also, how am I elitist, when I see the value in a great many video games? I'd be elitist if I bought Nintendo games first and foremost while essentially forcing anything else to earn my attention.  Hell, I have 24 game systems at this point.  Two of them aren't even on this site (and #25 is on it's way).  I buy everything.  I don't limit myself to anything.  That's what an elitist would do.  An elitist dismisses third party games on Nintendo systems, owns 6 systems, and 5 or 6 of them are from one company (like Nintendo).  I'm not saying "everyone needs to own tons of system," (and I know if I don't say that, you'll assume it and call me elitist), but damn, branch out a little. 

If all you ("you" used as a general term in this paragraph) own from this generation is a Wii or DS or both, good for you, you're a Nintendo fan.  If the bulk of your collection on those two Nintendo systems is Nintendo-produced stuff, you're likely to fall into fanboy territory.  If you also own a PS3, PSP, or Xbox360 (or PC)--you've branched out enough to be a regular gamer and you're going to be able to experience a lot more of what there is to play and enjoy.

I bet the new Metroid game won't sell as much as Wii Music.  But that's for a different discussion...

Quality is about a game delivering value, which for these people largely revolves around being fun and functional. Wii Wankery has always had that in spades, the games have been polished to a fine point, they work, and are fun. Many third party games can't say the same. And you're running apples to oranges. Compared to its peers, Sports, Sports Resort, and the almight Fit, Wii Music did horribly. Compare Monster Hunter Tri to its peers however, especially in Western performance, and you see a success, but a success existing in a much more restricted market. Mario Party games declined in quality with time, and the sales went with them, until Nintendo stopped pumping them out and focused on a 1-per-console attitude, with 8 and DS, and they did great, and now the franchise is in semi-retirement.

 

Just Dance is likely to outsell both Metroid games on the platform combined, and certainly more than Wii Music (highly comparable). Where does that figure in?