Slimebeast said:
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highwaystar101 said:
Slimebeast, you need to calm down, seriously. I mean I try to remain civil, I always try to be nice in debate, but that's not good enough for you. You can't stand people who have opposing views, to the point that you have to resort to childish name calling, calling me a "socialist", when I think it is blatantly obvious that I'm not. It seems as though today you can't support national health without being labelled a "Socialist", "Communist", "Nazi" or all of the above. It's not like I want to move to Laos or something, not even close. And you have the audacity to call me the insulting one?
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Anyway, you accuse me of having such a blinkered "westerner" view, when in the very source you gave said...
"A United Nations report suggests that piracy off of the coast of Somalia is caused by illegal fishing and the dumping of toxic waste in Somali waters by foreign vessels, practices which have severely constrained the ability of local fishermen to earn a living and forced many to turn to pirating instead."
Did you skip that out? And you tried to take your one quote so laughably out of context that I don't even know what to say, except for provide the beginning of the quote which makes your quote fit more in line with my viewpoint...
"Millions of Somalis depend on food aid and in 2008, according to the World Bank, as much as 73% of the population lived on a daily income below $2.These factors and the lucrative success of many hijacking operations have drawn a number of young men toward gangs of pirates."
Somalis require food aid just to eat! That is what I would call desperation. All your quote showed was that those Somalis who had resorted to crime seemed better off than the population, so it attracts more of the millions of impoverished people who need aid just to survive from day to day to join them to seek a better life, which is far more in line with my viewpoint than yours.
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Sorry Highwaystar. The name calling wasn't meant against you, it was meant against the opinions. I like you a lot.
I'll calm down.
We just disagree. You believe in the lack of food & desperation factor, I believe in the thug & bad person factor.
About legal immigrants and crime rate. It's likely true about legal immigrants in the USA that they're on the same level with the native population because USA has a very high rate of crime to begin with, but it's definately not true for immigrants in Western Europe.
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Fine apology accepted, and I apologise in return. But you have to understand that I am in no way a socialist and I do not consider myself to be overly politically correct in any sense.
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Anyway, we can agree to disagree, that's fine, but I honestly think I've proven myself. Somalis have a rough time, with poverty and hunger being rife, and many people see piracy as a way out of a desperate situation.
I don't think being a thug has anything to do with it. I think that if I moved a law abiding pacifist from the USA to a starving country, then the likelihood of them committing a crime will rise because they would have more pressure on them to survive causing them to want to take greater risks.
