StarCraft 2 Worth Buying a New PC?

[vlad321]

theprof00 said:

Machina said:

theprof00 said:

Machina said:

Did you not notice everything they stripped out of the multiplayer?

cross-region play
chat rooms
clan features
LAN
custom game freedom

Some of us care a lot about some of those features. For example, I would never have spent so much time playing the original were it not for chat rooms and the ease with which custom games could be produced and shared, and because of that the new b.net is a disappointment to me. The new league and matchmaking systems are excellent, but why remove so many features? It's supposed to be battle.net 2.0, not 0.5.

You used the chatrooms? Really? Well I guess they were a good place to discuss strategy.

But I really prefer the stranglehold on the custom games. Now they have to be approved. Do you not remember the horrendous environment sc1 was? Players would modify their starting position to be the best one. Boost the stats of infrequently used heroes in games like golem and blood. Give themselves extra resources in things like evolves. Every custo game had like 100 versions of it, and it didn't matter what the name was, they would just modify it and upload the game under the same filename.

Cross country playing I never was really into because  didn' really know anybody overseas at that time, but I can see now how it would be a good thing to have.

The great thing about Blizzard is that they play their own games. They fix their stuff and add new features all the time. To me, what matters the most is having fun, and a lot of those past elements just didn't contribute that much to the fun. Sure it was easier for a guy to make a new custom game and upload it, but now it just takes an extra couple steps.

'Do you really want chat rooms? really?'. Yes, I do, as do most fans. I used the chatrooms In StarCraft, Diablo and WarCraft. They were so useful and easy to use,  as was the old msg'ing system. Now we're lumbered with an over-engineered and (again, restrictive) IM system.

I remember how many custom maps there were. So much variety, so much to play; the list changed wildly from one hour to the next. Now there are hardly any new ones coming through even on a daily basis, and the creativity of pro map makers is being strangled by the 5 map limit. People can still steal maps too...

I didn't use it either. Although I would now, because I've made lots of American friends since then that I would like the option to play with. But even if I weren't in that position, I'd still support its inclusion for people who would.

Most of those features directly contributed to the original's longevity and lasting appeal, which = fun in my books. So I disagree. And I'm glad Blizz are working on bringing back some of this functionality, but it's only because of the fans who kicked up a fuss, rather than the ones who made excuses.
Just because you didn't use efeature X or Y, doesn't mean there aren't lots of us who did, and who are disappointed by the removal of features in what is supposed to be a step forwards...

The point I'm trying to make is that they are not integral parts of the game. The game has been out a little more than a week. There will be more maps. And they will work. They won't be fucked with by dicks who just want to win at an internet game so badly that they are willing to edit a map in their favor.

I'm not making excuses. I was NEVER a fan of those things. I was a fan of the gameplay and the balance. Not of the maphacks. Not of the chatrooms. Not of the imbalanced custom games. Not of the cross country gaming.

Being a fan would have to mean that I relied on those things, which I did not. I hated getting into a match with someone that couldn't speak English and lived in Italy. I hated wasting my time on a custom game. I hated the fact that the chatrooms were basically 4chan without the pictures.

I GUESS I can understand why there is such a fuss about these features. But I am definitely not one of the people who can't enjoy a game because of a lack of chatting, or because I can't play my friend in Japan. I can support the cause, because I want the game to be enjoyed by as many people as possible, even the finnicky people who want a return to the broken system of Bnet. But I want it done right. And with time (give it a couple months, not a couple weeks), that functionality will be back.

But I also wanted to really question why you would say that those are game-breaking features. The gameplay is better. The connections are more reliable and stable. The gaming is balanced and fair, whether it be race vs race, or on custom games. The matchmaking is incredible, and the campaign is really very good. There's nearly 30 missions, I believe, which is how many were in the original game. So you're really not getting any less than in sc1.

anyways, sorry for my rant. I just can't understand all the sc2 hate going around. The motivation is ridiculous IMO

 

Except that I want to talk to people about the game and group up for tournaments or team fights, I want to jump on EU servers and play with my buddies across the ocean. Chat rooms and cross region play aren't game breaking features, they are gaming making features. They made all Bnet titles up until now as great as they are.

As for your custom game issue, it's funny how I never had those. Your problems are exactly that, personal problems. I never thought it took a lot of attention to notice that the custom game map you are about to join you don't have because of an edit or something. Somehow I never had problems enjoying my custom games, and the best part is that you can leave custom games if it is somehow editted, so any time youw asted on it is completely your own damn fault. To fix people's stupidity though it seems Blizzard are punishing everyone with their approval system.

Again all of this sits atop the mediocre multiplayer (compared to SC1 and hell, even WC3) and the absolutely crappy single-player (WC3 had 38-40 missions, they could EASILY have scrapped the entire colonist and Tosh arcs, as well as some other plainly obvious filler missions and jsut added in protoss and zerg campaigns).

But hey, SC2 now has Facebook integration!