Lebanon Attacks Israel

[Slimebeast]

superchunk said:

Slimebeast said:

superchunk said:

Slimebeast said:

 

lol 1 million arabs fled because Israelis slaughtered one village? Crazy talk.

Arab leaders encouraged Arabs to flee for strategical reasons. Bla bla... lots of reasons but the main reasons was simply that Israel won the war and fought off the invaders.

Since you like any Arab or pro-Palestinian obviously firmly believe the refugee problem was Israel's fault, well let's pretend for a moment that it was true (but it isn't). It still doesn't matter. Refugees and their children would be a huge demographical threat and won't be allowed to return no matter who's fault it originally was.

Arabs could or could not be the majority in Israel one day. They're still only 1.5 mill versus 5.7 million Jews in Israel. And gon't forget the 500-750K ultra-orthodox Jews in Israel though, they make even more children per family than the Israeli Arab population and their growth rate is higher. And eventually the orthodos Jews might outnumber the Arabs in Israel.

"Only 5% of Israel's population in 1990,[321] the ultra-Orthodox, or Haredim, are expected to represent more than one-fifth of Israel's Jewish population in 2028"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel#Demographics

1. Arabs fled because of fear of death. For years they watched these two groups become more deadly to both British forces as well as general arab populace. The village of a Deir Yassin lost hundreds to this massacre.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irgun_attacks
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stern_gang

2. How can Arabs be the invaders to their own land? Jewish Europeans are the clear invaders.

3. I agree that regardless of the history, Israel can't and won't allow them back to their homes (even though international laws require it).

4. I still think WB will be brought into Israel as even the orthodox Jews want that and then the combined Arab populace will quickly outweigh the Jewish one.

1. Fear of death among other reasons. It doesn't matter since it was a consequence of the war due to the Arabs rejecting the two state solution approved by the UN. 

2. Don't forget Jewish European immigrants and refugees were the "invaders". Into British controlled territory. But according to International Law (that you so often like to refer to) the Arab nations , including the Palestinian leaders, who rejected the split of the mandate and attacked the new-born UN approved sovereign state of Israel were also invaders. And Israel fought them off.

4. Why do you believe that? Why would Israel commit suicide like that?

1. true and i didn't say otherwise.

2. The UN forced a resolution that A) wasn't theirs to push and B) was against previous agreements Britain had made with Arabs if they sided against the Turks in WWII.

4. I believe that since its been in the Israeli news a lot recently and even many members of the Likud party have been presenting it as the only real option to not only make Palestinians happier and free, but to also appease the settler movement as Israel would maintain the entire WB.

Its not suicide really. The nation is democratic and has no constitution yet. All they need to do is create a constitution that is heavily influenced on Jewish tradition. Then considering the type of government, even if Muslims Arabs are the majority, the very large Jewish minority would still have great power.

The real idea is that Jews and Arabs would once again return to peaceful relations in the region which hasn't been the case in almost 100 years (Granted it would take a generation or two for things to really get fully normalized). Keep in mind the European Zionist movement didn't focus on ancient Israel until the early 1900's. Before that they actually focused on Philadelphia and various parts of Africa for a homeland. It wasn't until Arab anger across the middle east did Jews living in Arab countries even care or want to move to what would become Israel as their lives were just fine, especially in comparison to Jews in Europe and Russia.

Well that's a very bad idea.