Bethesda: Western RPG “More Realistic” Than JRPGs

[M.U.G.E.N]

Khuutra said:

M.U.G.E.N said:

wow so much spin this post :S it's crazy ok ill go one by one then

First off Stop talking about books...this is about games because I assure you east has MANY good sci fi work, Ironman comes to mind.

why do you keep using sci fi as a basis for being more realistic? That's just silly. You say read this sci fi book that sci fi book to try and prove your point as to why sci fi is more agreeable...I will also tell you that many sci works have been utter rubbish! Jules Verne or H. G. Wells are no exception to the rule...I actually think Steam Punk fiction is more interesting than any sci work west has put out yet I do not think one is more realistic than the other....again until it's proven and been done it's fiction, it's a fantasy...going to a far away planet is a fantasy for us still.....you also seem to be ignoring many many wester rpg's that cater to western mythos...dragon age for example! how is that game not fantastical? How is elder scrolls not fantastical? How is oblivion not fantastical? It's all dragons magic yada yada it's all based on zero scientifical backing

I never implied grounded is based on the setting alone however setting does help. Racing on earth vs racing on the moon in a game is very different. So the setting is VERY important as it sets the stage for the rest of it. Again many wrpgs are about magic, warriors on a quest (may it be space marines or a a knight in the medevil days), finding and teaming up with other characters to fight a common evil. These are all ungrounded fantastical ideas. Why is JRPG's any different? Because their dialogs are different? Because they actually have some hair on their head?

Give me a WRPG that is based on current existing science and physics and nothing else. And don't start with the books because I have not seen most of Isaac Asimov's work have come to reality, I have not seen aliens invading us to just die by a bacteria, I have not seen a time machine, I have not seen people travelling to the age of jurasic to hunt the dinos...until these things happen they are all fiction, all fantasy...you can call it w/e you want but these ideas are no less or more grounded than the ones from the East.

What is magic? have you seen it? has it ben proved? You say WRPG's follow 'rules' of magic etc. What rules? It's all fiction, it's all fantastical ideas that come from the minds of the creator. In that sense also JRPG's have their own 'rules' they follow...mainly if you strive enough you can break through ANY rule set by the game. That's just ideology nothing more nothing less

They are different yes, but saying one is more grounded in facts and such while the other is not is just being blind....and again the person who made this statement has ZERO cred since he doesn't play JRPG's anyways.

Anywho this doesn't seem to go anywhere..and typing this much is tiring on a sunday :P so if you still disagree let's just agree to disagree

You're confusing the argument with whether or not these trends (which are very real and easily acknowledged if you try to familiarize yourself with science fiction or fantasy in either storytelling medium) are a good thing with whether or not they are true. The former has nothing to do with the latter.

Alpha Protocol is the WRPG you are ttryign to think of.

Asimov's ideas are possible. So were Verne's.

Being grounded has to do with justification. Name me one JRPG - one - that tries as hard to ground itself in physics as Mass Effect does. You can't do it.

Racing on the moon is perfectly realistic given a setting wherein travel to the moon is trivial (which it will eventually be). Don't confuse realistic with "realistic when set in today's world". They are very different concepts.

Being fiction does not preclude grounding oneself in hard fast rules established by a game or work's own cannon. "Ggrounded" magic is magic that operates according to one set understanding, one set of rules, where possibilities are laid out and magicb ecomes an extension of physics.

You're just illustrating that you misunderstand what is meant by "grounded" and "realistic".

I will agree that you disagree; but you only do it because you're wrong.

wow you just can't seem to accept that we have opposing views on this and shut up for crying out loud.

Valkyria Chronicles..it has no flying ships, space cowboys, bold space marines, aliens, sex with human looking aliens or anything.....so in 'comparison' it is MILES more grounded in reality (you know what you know and understand to be true today?) and physics that we know of (you know not the 'theories' the 'reality'? the proven ones?) than ME in every darn way..it's about strategy which makes sense with 'most' of the weapons based on 'realistic' expectations of what we KNOW (not theorize) today. So yes there you go :)

You speak of magic as if it was road rules or something...you speak of magic as if throwing fire from your had is grounded since the game tells you it's possible!!! So why the double standard here? JRPG's have the same sets of rules same ideas?

I think you're illustrating the fact that you live in a dream world where all sci fi works has the possibility of coming true since very few has been so and hence the same will apply to gaming since hey it's the west and it's sci fi! we will for sho go to planet X to capture the space villain Dragon-X who is a mystical dragon who will kill non stop unless a certain magical spell bound by rules of it will damage 500 points when used once is used on it!

Your statement

"Racing on the moon is perfectly realistic given a setting wherein travel to the moon is trivial (which it will eventually be). Don't confuse realistic with "realistic when set in today's world". They are very different concepts."

Just proves my point...cuz you know why? NEWS FLASH! IF it is not realistic today, it's not realistic! cuz Realism is based on......REALITY! Killing a dragon or racing on the moon or finding princess mononoke on Pluto since that's where she lives (duh) is possible too ya know? the probability of it sucks monkey balls but it's still possible...so is growing some crazy hair while summoning ifrits...just because it's not done today doesn't mean it won't be done in the future!!!

oh wait no that doesn't make sense if what Bathesda said was true...oops

again typing this much is a pain on a sunday and I like short short posts....so I'm gonna stop this back and forth bickering now cuz clearly since I don't agree with you I'm 'wrong' and you won't stop until I say hell yeah you're right lol so sure knock yourself out

ps: Just to clarify why this whole omg wrpg's kicking jrpg butt has come about ONLY because of the new settings WRPGs are exploring nothing more nothing less...But games like demons Souls and VC are a good start if creating more variety for JRPGs and I hope they keep it up