3 reasons why to NOT buy a new 3DTV for gaming.

[Ssenkahdavic]

disolitude said:

raygun said:

 

I never said or thought that a PS3 could run ALL games in 1080 3d, don't put words in my mouth. StardustHD was the game I mentioned, and they did get it running in 1080 3d way back when they first started showing 3d games. 

Ssenkahdavic , 1080p, 60hz 3d is a Primary 3d format, not a secondary! Page 11 of  http://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/specificationdownload.aspx?t=e1bcfddf-de4b-4bcc-ba78-96f50c86f565&f=3 Meaning, it's NOT OPTIONAL.

About table 8-15:

Table 8-15 shows the detailed timing of the 3D video formats for SOME VICs. 

If an HDMI Source has the 3D Video Format capability, then the HDMI Source shall support

transmission for at least one of the formats listed in Table 8-15.

 

Note that the Frame packing 3D structure, the Side-by-Side (Half) 3D structure, and the

Top-and-Bottom 3D structure may also be used optionally with VIC codes other than those

mentioned in Table 8-15.

Primary 3D Video Format Timings

ï‚· 1280x720p @ 59.94/60Hz (Frame Packing, Side-by-Side(Half), Top-and-Bottom)

ï‚· 1280x720p @ 50Hz (Frame Packing, Side-by-Side(Half), Top-and-Bottom)

ï‚· 1280x720p @ 23.98/24Hz (Frame Packing)

ï‚· 1280x720p @ 29.97/30Hz (Frame Packing)

ï‚· 1920x1080i @ 59.94/60Hz (Frame Packing, Side-by-Side(Half))

ï‚· 1920x1080i @ 50Hz (Frame Packing, Side-by-Side(Half))

ï‚· 1920x1080p @ 23.98/24Hz (Frame Packing, Side-by-Side(Half), Top-and-Bottom)

ï‚· 1920x1080p @ 29.97/30Hz (Frame Packing, Top-and-Bottom)

ï‚· 1920x1080p @ 59.94/60Hz (Top-and-Bottom)

ï‚· 1920x1080p @ 50Hz (Top-and-Bottom)

Secondary 3D Video Format Timings

ï‚· 640x480p @ 59.94/60Hz (Frame Packing, Side-by-Side(Half), Top-and-Bottom)

ï‚· 1920x1080i @ 59.94/60Hz (Top-and-Bottom)

 

They are talking sources in the table, but a TV that has HDMI1.4a will have to be able to use all primary video formats. The SOURCES are only required to be able to transmit ONE of the formats listed in the table, and the table is only SOME of the formats.

Any way, why the nitpicking? TVs that say they are hdmi1.4a compliant have to be able to use 1080p, 60hz 3d since it's one of the primary formats, and whether or not the PS3 has any games at that rez will see in the future. If not, your new HDMI1.4a tv should be good to go for full 1080p 60hz 3d in the future, right?

 

 

 

ITs a secondary format.

You are probably confusing it with the primary format of 1920x1080p @ 59.94/60Hz (Top-and-Bottom)

That is 1920x1080p containing 2 images...hence its 720p per eye. Its what some broadcasts like Direct TV and Shy inEurope may use. 

The one you want is called frame packing and is listed under secondary formats and its found if you keep scrolling down on the next page:

1920x1080p @ 59.94/60Hz (Frame Packing, Side-by-Side(Half))

In any case, read on further in this thread. There are links to AVS forums and other stuff which pretty much explains why these new TVs don't do 1080p@60. They use slower HDMI chips to save costs which don't have the bandwith...

That list is for Source only (and as I stated, HDMI 1.4 must be able to transmit up to max, NOT receive it)  IE: The PS3 could output enough bandwidth to do this, but your TV does not HAVE to be able to accept that amount of throughput.  Like Diso said earlier, most TVs do not use HDMI chips that have over 225Mhz (not nearly enough for 1080@60hzx2). 

As I said a few posts up from here, 1080@60x 2 is higher bandwidth than the MAX that 1.4 can support (373.2 vs 340MHz) so it can ONLY be transfered using a bandwidth limiting technique (like Frame packing)

Was not trying to put words in your mouth.  Just saying that this was not a big deal as far as CONSOLES are concerned, but it is for those of us (Diso and myself) who would use it coming from a PC.