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Doobie_wop said:

1. This discussion is about Nintendo, it isn't about Activision or EA and neither have consoles to support. Nintendo does and I expect more from them.

2. Super Smash Bros. Brawl should come with a GC controller, otherwise it's a broken game. Plenty of games are enhanced by accessories, I can't think of many that rely on them though, especially when the previous instalments worked just fine out of the box. It's like buying MW2 and realising that you can't play the game without a headset (which isn't true just in case you don't play MW2).

3. I wasn't saying my opinion is a fact, I'm saying that it's an opinion that many people share and that the point's I make aren't actually wrong because most of them are backed up by sound arguments and examples. It's only different if you want to ignore or judge Nintendos faults. I chose to judge them and others choose to ignore them.

4. When you have a large userbase and a distinct lack of good software, it's only rational that those 67 million people will clamour to whatever's available, no matter the quality.

5. Number 4 comes into play again. If there is a lack of variety and quality, then whatever's available will be bought, it doesn't matter what  it is. Motorstorm and Resistance sold extremely well because the PS3 launch was scarce, but when competition comes along the franchises take a hit, I see the same thing on the Wii except it's ongoing.

6. You only provided one example and that's with an already popular franchise. Give me some examples of what they've been doing to help Third Parties and then I'll compare it to the other console makers. Nintendo being the most successful, I expect the most support.

7. By no reason I meant that there making so much money and selling so well that they don't care about finding and supporting new ideas and projects.

8. They should find a middle ground then.

9. Businessmen are exactly what they are, but when people on the forums parade Nintendo around as if they were the Lords of Gaming, that they are so pure and devine and that everything they do is for goodness of gaming, I puke a little. Nintendo are out there to make money, they don't care how, they don't care about their consumers, they just want your money and the reason there not releasing a Star Fox on the Wii is because it's not going to make as much money as another Wii series spin off or a Mario sport's game. If that's fine with you, then great, enjoy Wii Relax, I'll just go back and play something new on another system.

1. What about Sony and Microsoft that also release sequels to games?

2. I can play Brawl just fine with a Wiimote or Wiimote plus Nunchuk, ots by no means a broken game without a GC controller.

3. And you can have an opinion about a subject, just like can have an opinion about your opinion. And I wouldn't call your arguments sound.

4. The Wii has high quality software, if you don't like doesn't mean that others will also share your tastes.

5. If there no games that interest consumers they will simply not buy games. And arguably we are seing this with Red Steel and Red Steel 2.

6. It's in Nintendo's interest to promot games that can sell hardware, they are not a charity. And other 3rd party games Nintendo helped publish: Harvest Moon: Magical Melody, Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles, Zack and Wiki: Quest for Barbaros' Treasure, these 3 only for Australia, Naruto: Clash of Ninja Revolution(PAL), Harvest Moon: Tree of Tranquility(Australia), Samurai Warriors 3(NA and PAL).

And Nintendo has collaborated with 3rd parties on many Wii games: Monster Games(Excite Truck, Excitebots: Trick Racing), Next Level Games(Mario Strikers Charged, Punch-Out!!), Kuju Entertainment(Battalion Wars 2), Sega(Mario & Sonic Olympic games), Good-Feel(Wario Land: The Shake Dimension, Kirby's Epic Yarn), Arika(Endless Ocean games), Namco Bandai(Mario Super Sluggers), Tecmo(Fatal Frame IV), Cing(Another Code: R – A Journey into Lost Memories), Treasure(Sin & Punishment: Star Successor), Sandlot(Zangeki no Reginleiv), Artoon(FlingSmash), Team Ninja(Metroid: Other M), Square Enix(Mario Sports Mix), Mistwalker(The Last Story).

7. False. First off they are making such money because they came up with new ides, and they still are making new projects.

8. I say the Wii is a middle ground.

9. If a company doesn't make money it goes out of business. Nintendo should cater to as many consumers as possible, not a forum dwelling minority.