I just realized that Nintendo will stay in first place for a long time

[senseinobaka]

Qays said:

"Qays, i'd be very interested in you producing any kind of research or analysis that supports you "people who dont like video games purchase a Wii" claim and your "The only games that drive Wii demand are WiiFit and Wii sports" claim. Honestly, is there anyway you can show us it isn't something you made up on the spot?"

Ummm, how about the fact that most of the bestselling games on the Wii are shallow sports sims, party games, minigames, etc?

Let's take a look at every Wii game that's sold more than four million:

Wii Sports, Wii Play, Wii Fit, Wii Sports Resort, Wii Fit Plus, M&SOG, Mario Party 8, Link's Crossbow Training, Guitar Hero III

Mario Kart Wii, NSMBW, SSBB, SMG, Twilight Princess

Of these games only the five that I set aside have any sort of merit as video games. The absolute majority of the bestselling Wii titles are shovelware. What clearer evidence do you need? People don't buy the console to play good games, generally speaking (there will always be exceptions). They buy the console to play utter tripe.

"Just face it, Nintendo has simply done a better job of making software people WANT to play and purchase. And if gamerankings is to be believed, they are have made the two highest quality games of this generation. Either way, if you argue art or sales... you lose."

Lol. This is what baffles me about arguing with Wii fans. My problem isn't with Mario, it's with the shovelware. I've never once questioned Super Mario Galaxy's artistic merit. The problem is that the very presence of  Super Mario Galaxy is not enough to change the fact that the Wii sells largely on the back of shovelware. Similarly, the very presence of Super Mario Galaxy as a sort of killer app does not change the fact that of the truly excellent games released this generation, the overwhelming majority have been on the 360 and the PS3.

Ok, if your claim is that you can correlate high-volume games with demand driving..then that's fair. There are certainly holes in that, such as why would the games you consider of video game merit still be able to sell so well to the same people that seem to only want "tripe."

If you're going to make that comparison then I demand you be fair.

Here's PS3's >4m sellers: Modern Warfare 2, Grand Theft Auto 4, COD: Modern Warfare, MGS4, and FF13.

Of those games only MGS4 and GTA4 can be considered works of art... while the others are more like low-brow Stephanie Meyers novel. SO by your theorem, Shovelware also drives PS3 demand.

360 doesnt fare any better: The >4m sellers on 360 are: MW2, GTA4, COD4: MW, COD5: WaW, Halo 3, Gow, Gow2, Halo 3: ODST, Assasin Creed, Forza 3, and GH3.

You already ruled out GH3. I'm ruling out Halos and GoWs, unless of course you consider B-movie plots ans High school film class caliber characterization art. CODs were also ruled out by myself since they are definitely the Miley Cyrus songs of gaming. That really only leaves Forza 3 and AC. So again, by your own theorem... shovelware drives 360 demand.