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N-Syte said:
Umm, how can the Iraq war be a worse mistake than Vietnam if it is less severe? Can we not measure the seriousness of a mistake by its impact anymore?

(On a side note, an easy way to guage how the war is going is by measuring how much time the media spends reporting on it. When things are bad, it's wall to wall coverage. When things start to turn around, the lights go out. The lack of big headlines in recent months is telling.)

And how can you say the war was knowingly entered into on false premises. Again, I'm sure you know this as just a simple truth easily grasped by anyone who was not born yesterday, but I can be a bit slow sometimes.

The claims of the president were supported by the British, French and Russian intelligence agencies. Even the opposition party expressed similar certitudes. As did the prior adminitration just a few years before. Am I to believe that all those other sources just messed up, but the Bush administration, on the other hand, knew it was all a crock. In their great wisdom they deiced to knowingly go to war on false premises. Not just any kind of war though. The type of war that would inevitably prove they were lying all along.

Makes perfect sense to me.

Vietnam was a series of mistakes that grew over time, and very soon in the process it was only the fact that we were already embroiled in the conflict that kept us in it. Bush CHOSE to get us into Iraq having heard and dismissed everyone outside his sycophants tell him it was a terrible idea. So: Vietnam killed more US citizens but our leaders were less stupid. Intelligence: We think he has a program. Bush: We KNOW he has a program, we have proof (lie), we have witnesses (make that witness -- a pathological liar that most intelligence communities questioned the accuracy of); "we have evidence that Saddam sought significant quantities of uranium in Africa" (TOTAL FUCKING LIE, that had been debunked long ago, and our own intelligence communities told them it was not true but they put it in the speech anyway, and when Wilson told us about it his wife's name got leaked.) So yeah. Perfect sense. I didn't say that everyone KNEW he didn't have WMDs like we know now. I'm saying no-one was positive he DID except for Bush and Pals, and even if they had been positive Bush still used evidence he KNEW was bogus to push the war. Democrats going along with it proves they're terrified of the Big Mean Republicans saying they're Soft On Terror, and nothing else.

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