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richardhutnik said:

So, what exactly does government do that prevents people from not being so messed up and their society?  Also, what makes you think that biological fathers would bother to give a damn if the government pulled out?  Even today, with court systems that hold fathers accountable, they still skip out and don't pay.  In regards to this, tell me what part of the government drives individuals who can't afford to have kids, to go and have sex and women get pregnant? 

On thing I would argue here, based on what was said, is that I SERIOUSLY believe Libertarians put the cart before the horse.  You get more freedom when people take responsibility.  You don't just give people more freedom, and make them suffer greater consequences, and then expect them to all of a sudden assume more responsibility.  What part of cutting support to those in needs is going to drive the individuals to be responsible and law abiding citizens, and NOT decide that they should engage in criminal activity?  What part of nor helping is going to make things better?

I actually agree to an extent. I've always thought that since freedom and responsibility go hand in hand, people who aren't going to be responsible for their lives should lose their freedoms. For instance, as long as someone is on the public dole, perhaps they shouldn't be allowed to vote since they have a real financial incentive to vote for whomever is going to give them the most money and against anyone who proposes austerity measures. Or if someone is dependent on the government for their health care, they should be required to adhere to a strict diet and exercise regimen so as to minimize costs to the taxpayer.