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iasta said:

Ha ha ha, nice thread and read. Funny haters magnet

Even more  the M mature games are the only true one arguments! No more heroes for exemple is everything but really mature... Some cutscene are really the juvenille definition of "mature" (boobs! Blood!...)

I was afraid my wife come on the room during certains cutscene because of so mature peep-show scene and the so artistic mastubation in front of some anime.

My wife don't like see me play the "mature" (madworld, THOTD:O) games there are too much blood for her taste but strangely she liked watching games Mario kart, NSMBW ,...

Actually Nintendo had done much more for game recognization with his "casual" series than the hardcore series with their blood, sex and drugs. Before, games were look as a blood thirsty violent activities. Now it is regarded as nice, fun and social. i think we can thank GTA IV, Fallout 3 and God of War for that :p

Last, speaking of Fallout 3 and consider it a really "mature" game is funny because it was water down compare to the 2 first Fallout (Penthouses, proxenetism). and for GTA IV, it's look down because because the sand box is not as open as GTA:SA, people like GTA for the great sand box experience so you can play and have a lot of fun for hours without actually playing a mission.



     Well, most people probably don't have wives that are as attractive as Sylvia in No More Heroes, and one of the key goals of video games that are forward looking in their mindset is to eventually enable people to find a vicarious method to live out their fantasies.  ie.  have a system just like the holodeck on Star Trek The Next Generation that would allow one to have simulated sex  with virtual representations of Jenna Jameson or Sasha Grey that would seem just as real as the real thing. 

In this Sylvia would be a much more evolved and forward thinking videogame character than Princesses Peach or Zelda because I don't remember either one offering to have "hot yoga sex" with Mario or Link in twenty something years of their appearances in video games.  In fact, in some of the more recent outings it would appear that they have even regressed even more into naive roles.

GTA:  SA may have been more fun than GTA IV. however, I don't think it had the same biting satire of GTA IV which was almost as observant as that in some of the best South Park episodes and the geo-political tones of GTA IV were much more serious than those in GTA:  SA, so I think it might not make it the better game, but that it should make GTA IV the much more serious work of art of the two GTA games.