Nintendo hate?

[Metallicube]

Resident_Hazard said:

Metallicube said:

Resident_Hazard said:

Maneco said:

Nintendo software troubles third-party sales: FACT. And it's mainly because of that why these developers refuse to bring quality titles to Wii/DS (with a few exceptions); they just don't want to admit it.

That is almost entirely the fault of the Nintendo fans, who tend to ignore anything put out on a Nintendo system that isn't made by Nintendo.  Becuase Nintendo fans are half-assed gamers at best, 3rd party companies feel no need to bring their A-game to the consoles, because these idiots don't pay any attention anyway. 

Maybe if Nintendo fans had actually spent some of that money on the quality third party products instead of every single piece of crap with Mii's and Mario, there'd be a lot more higher quality games on the thing.

See I take offense to this, becuase I am a huge Nintendo fan, and yet over half my Wii games are 3rd party. And many of my Gamecube games are 3rd party as well. I openly embrace 3rd party efforts on Wii. I only ask that the developers treat me like a respectable gamer who recognises quality and actually make a decent effort on their games (see Monster Hunter Tri, RE4, Little King's Story, Zack and Wiki).

Quit crying on behalf of the 3rd party developers. THEY are the game makers. THEY are a business. THEY are here to serve US. The games get the sales equal to the amount of effort and passion a developer pours into their product. And in Wii's case, this passion and effort has been rare. Crap games produce crap results. If your game does not sell, you don't belittle your customers for not buying it. You take a step back and say "what did WE do to get these sales, and what can WE do to improve." That's just business, period. The customer is always right.

Why do you think it is that so many people are passsionate to Nintendo games and not so much other devs? Did you ever stop to consider that maybe it's because they are actually WORTHY of this praise? Maybe they actually make great games?

No that can't be it..it must be some magical spell Nintendo puts on us that puts us in a trance -_-

Why would 3rd party developers put that effort in when, historically since the N64, even quality games are ignored en masse by the Nintendo "gamers?"  The games definitly do not get sales equal to the amount of effort on Nintendo systems.  It's why third party games--straight ports--always perform better on other systems.  The last generation is a perfect example, the GameCube (which I love, by the way) received a great many of the same cross-platform games as the Xbox and PS2.  Almost without fail, those games would be of comparable quality, and always sold the worst on the GameCube, with the exception of Soulcalibur II which, sadly, only sold well on the GameCube because it pandered to the Nintendo fanboys with Link. 

Since the N64 era when Nintendo alienated most 3rd party companies, third party games struggled with Nintendo systems.  The GameCube should have reversed this trend, but the Nintendo fans decided they didn't care about the Princes of Persia, the Splinter Cells, the Medals of Honor or the Calls of Duty.  Hell, even games originally released as GameCube exclusives were treated better by gamers when they went multiplatform.  Resident Evil 4, anyone?  Sold better on the Playstation 2.  What's even worse about the GameCube situation, is that it had the worst main-series Mario game (Sunshine), and the easiest and lamest Zelda game (Wind Waker).  With Nintendo releasing new lows from their first party works, one would think that some decent attention would be given to the third party titles.  At least we got Eternal Darkness out of it.  But again, for some reason, Nintendo fans ignored that one too. 

Red Steel 2, No More Heroes 2, MadWorld, and Silent Hill all received high marks from reviewers--quality games--and what was the outcome of this third party support?  Lower and lower sales.  The "regular gamers" have essentially abandoned the Wii and the Nintendo fans don't care about anything that isn't from the Big N itself.

I hate to lump all Nintendo fans in with this, since traditionally, that's exactly what I am.  But I've never been "just about Nintendo" games.  I can't even stand Pokemon and don't own a single title in that hideous series.  The vast, vast, vast majority of my games on my Nintendo systems are 3rd party, but going by sales and the gradually decreasing support of 3rd party companies, I'm a minority when it comes to Nintendo fans.

Yeah, Nintendo fans get all pissy and just make the blanket statement that "3rd party games on the system are always terrible anyway."  A game may only score a 7/10 on the Wii and the Nintendo fans decry it as pure crap, meanwhile, The Force Unleashed, despite the score, is outselling the the Wii version everywhere else.  The two Wii Resident Evil shooters aren't perfect, but they aren't crap.  Nintendo fans ignore them and act like they're just crap.  Personally, I enjoyed both of those a helluva lot more than lame Gears of War-ish RE5.  At least on the Wii, we knew to expect shooters, with RE5, I was actually expecting more than that, but that was mostly what it was (with, by the way, the worst boss battles in franchise history).

Games that score 60, 70, or 80% on any other system often are still playable and garner sales.  These exact same games on a Nintendo system are dismissed by Nintendo gamers as "3rd party crap with no respect for Nintendo gamers" which is a gross elitist attitude.  Again, we have Star Wars: The Force Unleashed which typically garnered the same scores across the board (PS2, PS3, PSP, Wii, X360) in the range of 68~72%.  The Wii version was outsold by the Xbox360 and PS3 versions, and it sold only a little more than the PS2 version.  That idea that "3rd party companies just put crap on Nintendo systems" doesn't fly with this. 

One thing I often pointed out was how a quality game on the GameCube, such as Prince of Persia pale in comparison to mediocre cookie-cutter crap like Mario Party 5-7 on the thing.  Why did a quality title like Prince of Persia bomb in sales, but purile crap like Mario Party sold like blockbusters?  Nintendo fans. 

Why then, would 3rd party companies even want to bother with Nintendo systems?  They complain about 3rd party companies releasing "crap," but buy even worse crap in record numbers when Nintendo's name is slathered across it.

The Wii has 80, count them, 80 games that have sold a million. Many of those are 3rd party..If you sell 1 million copies on a platform, you're usually doing pretty good. Also, keep in mind that it's a mere fraction of the cost to develop Wii games as opposed to HD games, so those games HAVE to sell a lot more to make the money back.

What games do you believe on Wii deserve sales that hasn't gotten them? I challenge you to name ONE game. I promise you, that game will have either gone platinum, or else it has an extremely niche appeal or is downright crap.

Monster Hunter Tri, Call of Duty: Reflex, Resident Evil 4, are a few of the very rare cases of 3rd parties actually making quality games with large appeal (as in, giving it the care and quality they put in an HD game), and surprise! they have all crossed 1 million, and two of these are ports!

If you can find ONE legitimate Wii 3rd party game that you feel truly deserves great sales (in terms of quality AND mass market appeal) and did not recieve them, I will take back all I said.