JMan said:
Garnett said:
JMan said:
Garnett said:
JMan said:
Garnett said:
Nintendo wasn't hardcore last gen, they were the same as they are now, its just now they got motion controls.
Casual games wont outsell hardcore games, but casual games with motion controls will.
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I don't buy that. Iwata became the CEO in 2002, long after the gamecube established its failure to gain a large market share (although it was still a profitable venture). It was Iwata that implemented the Blue Ocean strategy, starting with the DS games. He mentions this strategy in the Tokyo Game show in 2005 and how they started this with Nintendogs and Brain Age, both which had been recently released and showed great potential already. He wanted to appeal to an expanded audience by innovating something new that would appeal to more than just trying to be the best graphics. Then he unveiled the Revolution.
As for "Casual games won't outsell hardcore games" unless they have motion controls I have only this to offer: Tetris, which has outsold every "hardcore" game there is (even if you just consider gameboy sales and not sales of the same game on all platforms). With Nintendogs and Brain Age also close, no -- it isn't just about motion controls. It's about finding the thing that appeals to a broader audience.
edit: I will grant that the Nintendo development did games that were 'cartoony', but they were very specifically targetted at gamers whereas games like "Nintendogs", "Wii Sports", "Brain Age", are most definitely not targetted at the same group as Super Mario Sunshine. Prior to the Blue Ocean strategy, you find few games like those.
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1. Gamecube was a flop, because too many casual games and it was the "kitty console", while Xbox was huge and blunky, they flopped while the PS2 was the cool thing back then.
2. Tetris is a arcade game, just like spade is a arcade game, those types of games dont count.
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If you want to believe that it is exclusively motion controls added to casual games that make casual games outsell hardcore, that's your choice. The fact that Tetris, Nintendogs and Brain Age outselling most hardcore despite not having motion controls can all be excluded from your belief by creating whatever rules you want to exclude them. It doesn't change the fact that casual games CAN outsell hardcore without motion controls. But that's irrelevant to the topic anyway.
Nintendo's blue ocean strategy wasn't just motion controls. The motion controls were just one of the outcomes of that strategy, but it isn't the only part. Their marketing direction changed, their design philosophy changed. You say they are identical to the Nintendo that created the GC with the exception of motion controls, but that is definitely not true. From what Patcher said, he thought Nintendo needed an HD because that's just the next logical step (for a Nintendo of the GC era to compete with Sony and Microsoft). But that's not the new Nintendo, and Patcher is failing to understand that.
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Tetris a damn card game, DS has touch screen, which is what sells the DS, not Nintendogs nor Imagen babiez.
Nintendo WILL Release a Wii HD eventually, it may not come out for another 4-5 years but its coming. Its would be stupid for Nintendo to abandon the Wii name, which is the best selling Nintendo console EVER. They are gonna name it the Wii HD and there gonna sell it, so that casuals and hardcores can buy it.
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Tetris, A card game? Ok, sure. I remember tetris as a block game, but continue to build your fantasy. Anyway, your statement was that casual games don't outsell hardcore, only with motion controls do they and if you look up the sales figures on Nintendogs, Brain Age, and Tetris, I think you'll find exceptions to your absolute rule.
I did not say Nintendo would never release a Wii HD, nor abandon the Wii name. Patcher kept predicting the Wii within a year or two, and that's been for a long time that he's been predicting it. Nintendo has flatly stated that they haven't even opened all of the doors on the Wii and they won't be releasing a new console until they can no longer write the games they want to write. When the technology can no longer cover their requirements, they'll go with a new console. HD is not yet a requirement for Nintendo to build outstanding games.
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