Kasz216 said:
Samus Aran said:
Scoobes said:
Samus Aran said:
FootballFan said:
Scoobes said:
FootballFan said:
Lostplanet22 said:
FootballFan said:
Lostplanet22 said:
In a war their are no winners. Only losers.
Btw I remembered we learned the UK also treated to put pressure on the dollar something that is related during the Suez war when USA treated to put pressure on the £.
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NO!
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So what did the Uk won during the last wars?
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VICTORY
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Operation Iraqi Freedom - March 19, 2003
Britain and coalition forces invade and remove Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein from power. |
http://www.militaryfactory.com/battles/english_military_victories.asp
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I think the question was more "what did we win" than "when" we won. It got rid of Saddam Hussein, but that didn't mean much for the British people as he didn't have WMDs and there was no evidence that he was supporting terrorists. In fact, Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda were polar opposites as to put it simply, Saddam Hussein disregarded religious rules as much as he disregarded life.
The only thing we possibly "won" was access to more oil.
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In the World Wars we won our freedom....therefore we succeeded and Germany was defeated.
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UK lost in the world wars, USA won.
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Excuse me? We were called allies for a reason.
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Colonial empire of Great Britain was greatly weakened because of world war 1 and 2 which lead to a rapid independence of their colonies. Because of world war 1 and 2 the economy of Europe was destroyed. The economy of the USA grew to rapid heights because their factories produced weapons/and other goods for the allies in Europe. USA gained A LOT from world war I and II and lost practically nothing important.
Tell me what did Europe gain for unleashing two world wars? Nothing, they only lost. And YES, Britain is responsible for both world wars together with France and Germany. If it wasn't for the incompetent peace treaty of Versaille world war II might have never of happened at all. Or the incompetent leadership in France and Britain before WWII. In 1930 the people of Germany were the perfect sheep for a fascist leader.
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This is the exact opposite reasoning you've used in saying the US lost vietnam. At the end of the day... it was nothing but bad for vietnam... and the US got what it wanted.
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Because I was talking about 2 different things. What I meant by the UK losing the great wars was that it destroyed their Hegemony. They lost a lot more then they gained afterwards.
Vietnam won the real war, just like the UK did, but it was more of Pyrrhic victory. And more importantly, the USA gained NOTHING of losing the war in Vietnam(obviously). They only lost something. If they won in Vietnam then communism would have still collapsed(obviously). It really makes no difference at all.
But seeing people talking about how great it is that the UK won the great wars makes me think there's something wrong with their judgement. Without the great wars the British/European Hegemony would have lasted longer. The USA would have taken over eventually, but not as fast. Just like the USA is losing its Hegemony right now. Although not a single American will admit that.
And you can probably say that the great wars were inevitable, but I don't think that's true. At least not for the second world war.
There's also a big difference between Vietnam and the UK. The UK had a lot more to lose and Vietnam meant and still means nothing. Unless if you actually care for strangers, I guess.
