Vietnam won or lost?

[Garnett]

Sqrl said:

Well the goal was eventually achieved, just not through the use of the military.

Given that fact we definitely eventually "won" the country in terms of communism VS capatalism.

But Vietnamn the "war" I don't think there is any real measure in which it could be said we lost militarily, so I think the best way to describe it is simply to say we were defeated politically. 

Still we did get what we wanted....so if that is how you define winning then I suppose you would call it a win.

 

That is true however, the goal wasnt achieved because of the U.S.

 

(back on the holocaust/ vietnam comparsion) its like if the jewish people did die off, Hitlers not gonna say "i killed the jewish people" because he wasnt. He failed when he tried it. Even though it was achived eventually, he failed when he tried, no if and's or butts. It did happen but it wasnt because of your efforts hitler.

A person cant claim success after he has failed.

 

Another comparsion is if i told people that i was going to build a rocketship in less than 2 months and about 3 weeks into it i realize that i cant do it and i call it quits. I lose.