Where does evil come from?

[Slimebeast]

highwaystar101 said:

Slimebeast said:

@Highwaystar

You are making a too big thing out of religion and morals. Try to look at it from a different angle. I am not saying that religion is a guarantee for good morals. No one is saying that. (which is part of the reason why I don't want to go deeper into a Bible study in this discussion). But one could say that there's is something religious about morals, or rather, something metaphysical. If you acknowledge universal or absolute morals that is.

You do know that the argument of universal morals is used as an evidence of God? It's then another question who exactly that God is, who is his incarnation and message on this earth etc.

I'm not making too big a deal out of religion and morals. No offence, but I think you just want to avoid the topic because you are uncomfortable with it.

You have to be able to back up some things, like why have your divine set of morals suddenly changed (and they have) if God is all knowing? Ok, your morals are not fail safe, they allow for amoral nutcases too; but that doesn't change that fact that an all knowing God who decided on an eternal set of morals suddenly decided to change the rules.

It wouldn't serve my purpose no. Not at this point. If I would make just one blunder about Biblical changing morals the discussion would take a different unwanted turn. This is the internet. It's hard to run a serious discussion here. Bible study is not the point. At least not yet. Maybe if we can agree that there exists a dilemma of universal and absolute morals that atheists deny, then we can go into Bible study.

In principle you are right, if the divine morals change randomly, then part of my argument falls apart. But listen, even when I step out of my religious clothes, if I pretend I am an atheist, I am still a strong advocate for absolute, universal morals.