Why are some Nintendo fans angry with Move?

[Porcupine_I]

RolStoppable said:

Porcupine_I said:

RolStoppable said:

I think it is of importance to note that excitement about Move and excitement about Move's current games isn't the same thing, because even if someone likes motion controls and doesn't care which system the game is on, what has been shown so far isn't anything special. Another important point is that the vocal minority that hypes Move for its superior technology isn't exactly excited about the games shown so far either.

The motive behind praising Move in its current form (which means everything we know about it so far) is most likely the wish that it slows down or stops Nintendo's success with the Wii (the same thing applies to Natal and the hopes that are put in it). It's just like a game that gets hyped not because the person who enthusiastically talks about it actually wants to buy it, but rather what it could do for the success of the console it is on.

And the motive behind criticizing the move is the wish that the games will stay nothing special?

But i agree, all those sports and party games don't look anything special. Not really anything to get excited about. Unfortunately that's the games that sell on Wii, and i am afraid that is what Natal and Move are aimed at. Sony and Microsoft don't need to aim for the hardcore, they already have the Hardcore, they want the casuals now.

There's not much of a reason to believe that Move will offer something special in the future. Quite the opposite is the case, there are many reasons to expect Move to flop spectacularly in sales and also in terms of the games it will get. Some that come to mind:

1) As a peripheral, there won't be a lot of third party support, much less good one. Sony supposedly has great relationships with third parties, but if you look at the entire Eyetoy/PS Eye library and the support of the Sixaxis (the standard controller), nobody should get his hopes up.
2) Without good third party support, the burden to drive the installed base lies on first party games. Now who really thinks that Sony will put their best developers on Move games aside from optional functions that have pretty much no effect on the core gameplay?
3) So the hopes rest on games with good tacked on motion controls, because there will hardly be any big projects specifically developed for Move.
4) The current lineup looks like Wii third party games (not graphically, but the kind of quality they offer). Which brings me to my next point.

It's commonly said that sports and party games are eaten up by the "casuals". Then someone quickly names Carnival Games, Game Party or Deca Sports and concludes that these are the types of games that are sure bets on the Wii (to prevent possible confusion: you didn't say that, I am talking about a general observation here). Regarding that I must ask: What's the batting average for these kinds of games? Then you look at a long list of sports and party games on the Wii and realize that there are dozens upon dozens of such games with abysmal sales with only a few posting impressive numbers.

Third parties flooding the Wii with these cheaply made games got so bad that retailers told publishers that they wouldn't stock such titles anymore, because they do NOT sell. Move and Natal look as if Sony and Microsoft make the same mistake as third parties on the Wii. They hope to make some easy profits, but they actually do not understand what the people who they try to sell to want, be it "hardcore" or "casual" gamers.

That being said, you can still give Move and Natal the benefit of the doubt, but more than that doesn't seem justified at this point in time.

you know, you could have saved yourself all that typing by answering my initial question with "I want Move to fail"