So... how about that Tea Party?

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Zucas said:

ironman said:

Zucas said:

Opa-Opa said:
Um the Tea Party adopted the whole grassroots, libertarian ideals from the Ron Paul campaign and twisted them into some Neo-conservative, dogamatic perversion.

Their followers are idiotic: as evident by their self-appointed leader, Sarah Palin.

For the most part, that's my opinion of the Tea Party haha.  Bunch of angry people that know nothing about the actual libertarianism. 

You agreed with what Opa stated, you therefore are saying the same thing. 

And that is where you are wrong and where I specifically pointed it out to you in an earlier point.  Here's EXACTLY what I said:
"For the most part, that's my opinion of the Tea Party haha."

Keyword for the most part.  I left that in because, I didn't agree with the way he worded it and the part about Sarah Palin.  That part was just silly.  In concept, imo, I think he is right that a lot of what the Tea Party is, is just the adopting and missusing some libertarian values for their own personal neo-conservatism platform. 

No where in there is it stating that they have copied the libertarian party, nowhere in there did I state I fully agree 100% of what opa said, and nowhere does it state that they were trying to copy the libertarian ideals to push that as their main platform.  Actually my second part of that stated how they didn't understand what actual libertarianism is, suggesting that I don't think these guys are libertarians.  In a weird way, I kinda agreed with what you were saying that these aren't libertrarians. 

Maybe I'm making a mistake involving myself but here I go. 
Although I'm sure I disagree with ironman in a lot of things including this topic, I have to side with him against you Zucas on the "copying" issue.  You are nitpicking him to hell when he is more right than wrong in his characterization of you on this. 

You say you never said the tea partiers were copying libertarians?  What about, "There is a little bit of bias on my side due to me being a libertarian and not liking those people which I think are just a bunch of imitators"?

And for that matter, in this very post you say you think they are "adopting and misusing some libertarian values for their own [purposes]."  In what way exactly does the word "copying" not apply as shorthand for "adopting values"?  Just because you don't accuse them of literally plagiarizing the Libertarian Party website or something?  Or does it only count as copying if they don't abuse the copied material? 

You say, "nowhere does it state that they were trying to copy the libertarian ideals to push that as their main platform."  But it sounds like you think they were trying to copy them for a different reason.  (Pushing their own agenda, instead of libertarianism, which you apparently think they think they can do better cloaked in pseudo-libertarianism.)