| Joelcool7 said: Rol I have gone over this with you before. I was born in 1988, I had an Atari 2600 till I got my NES the first game I beat was MarioBros on the NES. I have owned every Nintendo console made with the exception of the Virtual Boy. I never ever said anything negative about NewSuperMarioBros either. I simply stated prior to the games release that I didn't think it was logical to expect it to break 10-mill during the launch year. All evidence suggested that NSMBW couldn't perform that well so quickly. I own NSMBW and beat it week one, I love the game and it brings me back to the days of old. Also note in my post I never said that Sunshine was superior to Galaxy or NSMBW but Mario alone can't make the Wii better then the GameCube. Nintendo isn't just Mario there are plenty of other franchises, saying Wii is better because it has better Mario games is just lunasy. LOL, GameCube may not have sold as well as PS2 but it still sold fairly well among die hard fans. The GameCube was also more profitable then the PS2, does that mean that the PS2 was undersupported. The GC was not more profitable than the PS2, during the life of the GameCube, Nintendo as a whole made about twice the profit that Sony did, but on Nintendo's side, more than half of that will have been the GBA profit, and the remainder is split between a dieing N64 and GameBoyColor as well as the DS. And on the Sony side pretty much all the profit could be attributed to the PS2 (PS1 will have been a big help early on, but PSP being a big hindrance later on) During the GameCube lifespan alone, the best case scenario for GC is that it made more than half the amount of profit the PS2 did... but that still isn't including the profits the PS2 made in the past 2-3 years. I remember Kezay (One of the N-Sider Sages) talking on N-Sider that Nintendo had a die hard support base of about 15-million gamers which according to a Nintendo poll had purchased every Nintendo console till the GameCube. This research was found on N-Sider which is now gone but it was Nintendo's official forum. Think a second how many early adopters purchased the Wii despite unproven technology and the as you call it lowest selling home console. Also keep in mind sales have been in a decline ever since the NES. Proving as I said only the hardcore old timer gamers purchased the GameCube and later the Wii. As I said new gamers are buying the Wii as well. Now its been said that not all of the Wii owners are casual and obviously they aren't or I wouldn't own one. But the majority are new to Nintendo even on this forum. Ask yourself how many people on this very thread owned a GameCube and has the right to compare it to the Wii? Pretty sure the majority of posters here owned both... there might be slightly more who own a Wii but didn't a Gamecube than there are who own/owned a GC but don't have a Wii. Keep in mind their is a maximum of 20-million core Nintendo fans on the Wii. That is about one fifth 20mil * 5 = 100mil btw of the Wii's user base. The majority of Wii gamers are not Nintendo's core fan demographic according to Kezay and N-Sider there was about 15-million. Seriously your going to credit one of the poorest selling franchises in the history of Nintendo as one of the biggest franchises on Wii. Exite Bots/Truck and Bike all underperformed big time. Excite Bots is the only one to underperform, Excite Truck sold nearly a million, that's more than either Wave Race or F-Zero GX. Neither the hardcore Nintendo user base nor the casual user base wanted these games. Excite Truck is quite a praised title on these forums, as is Excite bots, albeit from a very small set of people. Sin and Punishment is definatly a classic to this new generation of gamers but it could hardly be seen as a core franchise its not even first party. Then Punch Out is most definatly a big Nintendo franchise but it only sold a million copies when compared to many GameCube games it fails to hold its own. There are many many GC games that failed to sell 1 million, Donkey Kong is one of the most recognisable characters in gaming, and according to you the GameCube games were good, why didn't they sell well... Pikmin is hardly a super selling franchise either More proof that the GameCube owners were the die hard Nintendo user base.Then the franchises like the Wii brand are sold to casuals new to Nintendo. I agree there, the GameCube didn't nescessarily have better itterations of all franchises. Jungle Beat for example was complained about alot on N-Sider when it was compared to DonkeyKong64. But the GameCube actually had almost every franchise represented. Just to let you know the GameCube may be my favorite console but I love the old school consoles too, the SNES has to be my second favorite and the origional GameBoy is my favorite handheld to date. I am more indy then you know. As I said prior the Wii definatly sold superior to the GameCube and Nintendo has had much more success with its software. But these are not Nintendo's core user base, they aren't the fans or hardcore gamers they are new to Nintendo or casuals. Lets put it this way the PS2/PSOne outsold SNES/N64/GameCube combined does that mean that Sony was a superior company to Nintendo? Did it mean that Sony had better games on their platforms then Nintendo? Its hard to read you Rol often I have heard you trumpeted as the number one Nintendo fan on VGChartz, yet you sell things by numbers and not quality. Gamers speak with their wallets, quality is subjective, after all you yourself say you like Double Dash more than MKWii Just because their is a large quantity does not nescessarily mean quality. Look at my origional comparisons of franchises the GameCube games versus the Wii counterparts, yes the Wii counter parts outsold the GameCube counter parts but the majority of the Wii purchases were made by gamers who never owned a GameCube.What does that have to do with anything, unless you can prove that a big chunk of the people on this thread who claim the WIi superior never owned a GameCube it means nothing at all. Personal question, you ridicule me for being a young gamer but I grew up on the Nintendo classics and up until 360 never owned a competitors system. I am a through and through Nintendo supporter. Were you even on N-Sider? did you actually own all the old consoles you critisize me about not playing? Did you own a VirtualBoy? did you own the old Game&Watch's? Did you buy Mario on the Atari 2600? did you pile quarters into Donkey Kong at the local arcade? So you being a long time well spent Nintendo fan means your opinion of the two consoles libraries has more worth? Rol has probably done all those things apart from Virtual Boy, I haven't.... but considering this thread is about Wii versus GameCube, the other Nintendo consoles don't come into it (unless the Virtual Console is used in Wiis favour) Or are you all talk, I find it very offensive to critisize me for being younger then you, you say I don't know the classics like you supposedly do. Did you ever play the Great Gianna Sisters (Mario's first clone/rip off) on the Commodore64. Did you own/play a Coleco Vision, Magnovox, Intellivision? Just how long have you been gaming. I have played everything their is back to the days of Ralph Baer. I may have been born in the 80's but I am a hardcore gamer through and through. Of course I am not a Sony expert as after the NES I was a loyal Nintendo purchaser not purchasing any competitors platforms. So maybe I am a Nintendo gamer first and foremost but as Kezay said Nintendo gamers are the reason the GameCube was profitable to begin with, its the reason Nintendo's around today. Because of gamers like me. The Gamecube hardware wasn't profitable at launch, (according to Viper it was losing ~$9 per unit) But ignoring that, it's Nintendo who make their system successful by getting you to buy it.
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