Which system has/will have better games, Wii or Gamecube?

[Joelcool7]

RolStoppable said:

Joelcool7 said:

Exactly , WaveRace, EternalDarkness , F-Zero, Donkey Kong , StarFox, Pikmin could go on and on with great first party franchises availible on GameCube but totally forgotten on Wii. Endless ocean is a fairly successful new franchise and the Wii franchise is also fairly successful. But they do not make up for the total lack of first party software.

Now someone else mentioned MarioKartWii being better then DoubleDash. I beg to differ I preffered Double Dash multiplayer to the online in Wii any day. That being said I think MarioKartDs beat both because it had the best multiplayer modes from DoubleDash and Wii.

Then others said Brawl Beats Melee. I'd say personally I liked both games alot and at the time of Melee I think I had just as much fun playing Melee as I did Brawl. The online mode in Brawl sucked monkey balls, the inclusion of a better single player mode with co-op definatly made the game better today. However I would say Melee was pretty good.

Try to explain to me anyone how the Wii missing like five key first party franchises, with several poorer sequals to the other franchises can possibly be considered a superior system? Just look at my comparisons above and tell me how the Wii possibly out performs the GameCube as a first party platform.

Now some would argue the Wii is not a first party platform like the GameCube was. I have to admit I own more third party Wii games then I did GameCube. But even the third party GameCube games (Sonic) was better on GameCube then on Wii.

I just can't see how anyone can claim the Wii has a better first party catalogue then the GameCube. You have to be a total casual gamer to be blinded that badly. The Wii is a casual console while the GameCube was a more hardcore console. The Wii mom's grandma's daughters and grandpa's play for about an hour a week. Some kids may play their Wii's 5-hours a week or so. The GameCube was a console that appealed to the fans it had every Nintendo franchise known to man almost and represented the franchises well.

This is a case of new gamers versus old gamers and then the hardcore fanboys. The new Gamers love WiiSports, WiiPlay, WiiFit, WiiMusic...etc...etc.. while the older fans enjoy Donkey Kong, F-Zero , Starfox, WaveRace , 1080 ,Pokemon , PaperMario etc...etc... then theirs the Nintendo fanboys who love anything Nintendo does and will always back the latest Nintendo platform.

Which are you? a fanboy, new/casualgamer or old school gamer who enjoys Nintendo's established franchises?

Let me guess, you perceive yourself as one of the old fans. But actually you are one of the younger fans who grew up with the Nintendo 64 and Gamecube. All the evidence I need is that you are unable to appreciate New Super Mario Bros. Wii.

The Wii is the return to Nintendo's roots. Roots you don't know, because you are too young. The Wii is not a "casual console", something like that doesn't even exist. You say that the Gamecube was a console that appealed to the fans, then why is it Nintendo's lowest selling home console? Looks like we have a contradiction here.

The Wii might still be missing some franchises, but in return it has some that the Gamecube didn't have. NSMB Wii is obviously the most notable example. Excite Truck/Bots/Bike, Sin & Punishment 2, Punch-Out!!, the Artstyle series on WiiWare. Then there's also Wii Sports/Resort/Play/Fit/Plus and Endless Ocean which you already mentioned.

Sequelwise it's business as usual. Some series have better iterations than on the previous console, others don't. It's not like the Gamecube iterations were all better than the Nintendo 64 ones either.

The Wii has more and better first party games in a shorter timeframe than the Gamecube. Of course you don't have to share this opinion, but it's obvious from the sales of this generation compared to the last one that there are more people who think that the Wii has indeed the better lineup. It's very telling when several Wii games will be able to beat the Gamecube hardware's lifetime sales.

Rol I have gone over this with you before. I was born in 1988, I had an Atari 2600 till  I got my NES the first game I beat was MarioBros on the NES. I have owned every Nintendo console made with the exception of the Virtual Boy. I never ever said anything negative about NewSuperMarioBros either. I simply stated prior to the games release that I didn't think it was logical to expect it to break 10-mill during the launch year. All evidence suggested that NSMBW couldn't perform that well so quickly. I own NSMBW and beat it week one, I love the game and it brings me back to the days of old. Also note in my post I never said that Sunshine was superior to Galaxy or NSMBW but Mario alone can't make the Wii better then the GameCube. Nintendo isn't just Mario there are plenty of other franchises, saying Wii is better because it has better Mario games is just lunasy.

LOL, GameCube may not have sold as well as PS2 but it still sold fairly well among die hard fans. The GameCube was also more profitable then the PS2, does that mean that the PS2 was undersupported. I remember Kezay (One of the N-Sider Sages) talking on N-Sider that Nintendo had a die hard support base of about 15-million gamers which according to a Nintendo poll had purchased every Nintendo console till the GameCube. This research was found on N-Sider which is now gone but it was Nintendo's official forum. Think a second how many early adopters purchased the Wii despite unproven technology and the as you call it lowest selling home console. Also keep in mind sales have been in a decline ever since the NES. Proving as I said only the hardcore old timer gamers purchased the GameCube and later the Wii. As I said new gamers are buying the Wii as well. Now its been said that not all of the Wii owners are casual and obviously they aren't or I wouldn't own one. But the majority are new to Nintendo even on this forum. Ask yourself how many people on this very thread owned a GameCube and has the right to compare it to the Wii? Keep in mind their is a maximum of 20-million core Nintendo fans on the Wii. That is about one fifth of the Wii's user base. The majority of Wii gamers are not Nintendo's core fan demographic according to Kezay and N-Sider there was about 15-million.

Seriously your going to credit one of the poorest selling franchises in the history of Nintendo as one of the biggest franchises on Wii. Exite Bots/Truck and Bike all underperformed big time. Neither the hardcore Nintendo user base nor the casual user base wanted these games. Sin and Punishment is definatly a classic to this new generation of gamers but it could hardly be seen as a core franchise its not even first party. Then Punch Out is most definatly a big Nintendo franchise but it only sold a million copies when compared to many GameCube games it fails to hold its own. More proof that the GameCube owners were the die hard Nintendo user base.Then the franchises like the Wii brand are sold to casuals new to Nintendo. 

I agree there, the GameCube didn't nescessarily have better itterations of all franchises. Jungle Beat for example was complained about alot on N-Sider when it was compared to DonkeyKong64. But the GameCube actually had almost every franchise represented. Just to let you know the GameCube may be my favorite console but I love the old school consoles too, the SNES has to be my second favorite and the origional GameBoy is my favorite handheld to date. I am more indy then you know.

As I said prior the Wii definatly sold superior to the GameCube and Nintendo has had much more success with its software. But these are not Nintendo's core user base, they aren't the fans or hardcore gamers they are new to Nintendo or casuals. Lets put it this way the PS2/PSOne outsold SNES/N64/GameCube combined does that mean that Sony was a superior company to Nintendo? Did it mean that Sony had better games on their platforms then Nintendo?

Its hard to read you Rol often I have heard you trumpeted as the number one Nintendo fan on VGChartz, yet you sell things by numbers and not quality. Just because their is a large quantity does not nescessarily mean quality. Look at my origional comparisons of franchises the GameCube games versus the Wii counterparts, yes the Wii counter parts outsold the GameCube counter parts but the majority of the Wii purchases were made by gamers who never owned a GameCube.

Personal question, you ridicule me for being a young gamer but I grew up on the Nintendo classics and up until 360 never owned a competitors system. I am a through and through Nintendo supporter. Were you even on N-Sider? did you actually own all the old consoles you critisize me about not playing? Did you own a VirtualBoy? did you own the old Game&Watch's? Did you buy Mario on the Atari 2600? did you pile quarters into Donkey Kong at the local arcade?

Or are you all talk, I find it very offensive to critisize me for being younger then you, you say I don't know the classics like you supposedly do. Did you ever play the Great Gianna Sisters (Mario's first clone/rip off) on the Commodore64. Did you own/play a Coleco Vision, Magnovox, Intellivision?

Just how long have you been gaming. I have played everything their is back to the days of  Ralph Baer. I may have been born in the 80's but I am a hardcore gamer through and through. Of course I am not a Sony expert as after the NES I was a loyal Nintendo purchaser not purchasing any competitors platforms. So maybe I am a Nintendo gamer first and foremost but as Kezay said Nintendo gamers are the reason the GameCube was profitable to begin with, its the reason Nintendo's around today. Because of gamers like me.