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highwaystar101 on 01 May 2010
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Carl2291 said:
highwaystar101 said:

The people Nick Griffin is talking about are not immigrants, wanting a lot less immigrants has nothing to do with it. They are British people. As the woman pointed out, they are people who have probably never even been to the country Nick Griffin would pay them to go to. His sole basis is essentially to kick out British people with foreign blood in them.

I'm all for limiting the amount of immigrants from none EU countries and allowing them in based on what they can offer, and I'm not racist. Opposing immigration is not a binary state where those who oppose immigration are automatically racist. My view is not a racist immigration view. However "Keep them all out, they're all job stealing benefit cheating scum" is. Having an opinion on reducing immigration isn't automatically racist, in my example the former isn't and the latter is.

All politicians have their own agenda, I could pick at them all day (especially Cameron), I'm not denying that they don't. But Nick Griffins agenda would ruin the NHS, could you imagine sending all those doctors home? Even if you managed to open up more University places to study medicine for people in A-levels now, then you would still be here in seven years or so waiting for competent British doctors, while in the mean time the Non-British doctors have vacated the country and left the NHS grossly understaffed. And I am certain that he'll not allow an Israeli doctor, even in the interview you posted he said essentially the only immigrant workers given the chance would be the Irish and French.

His manifesto says third world doctors, but it's pretty clear he has a wider definition.

Nick Griffin is just a racist, he hates non-British people, he was a member of the National front for a start.

So? I don't care if they are British or not. He's giving them a choice. They can make there own mind up... So it's not really a big problem and "Oh my god! D:" situation IMO. If they DO want to leave and go to a country that NEEDS them, then so what? It's UP TO THEM.

Again, he doesn't say that either. (Regarding the "Keep them all out, they're all job stealing benefit cheating scum"). Infact, he says the opposite. He says people (and the family) would be welcome if they could contribute well to things we need. We don't need factory workers from abroad, we don't need joiners, electricians, plumbers, etc. from abroad.

Why should we provide for some Afghan refugee? We shouldn't, especially when we have BRITISH homeless people living on OUR streets. Why does a foreigner deserve a mansion in Britain with benefits, where a BRITISH person can't even get a single bedroom house.

He's not saying he would send them home. He is saying they would have the CHOICE. If they wanted to, he would give them money to do so. A LOT of money.

And the rest of it is just "I think this... So this is true!", so i don't feel i need to answer it tbh...

Carl, he is plainly asking non-white Britons to leave the country, what don't you see wrong with that? These people are as British as you and I and yet he is making it clear that he doesn't want them living here. I know he's giving them the choice, but this policy is just plain outright racist, there's no other way around it.

Saying that it's a choice does not suddenly make it no longer racist. It's a choice he's offering to people based on racist reasoning.

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Carl, do you not understand my view on immigration or something? Or are you trying to construct a Strawman argument?

I'm not trying to justify paying for an Afghan refugee, I think the people should be allowed into the country only if they are from the EU or can offer our country something valuable, like a skill or a trade.

The BNP do not share this view. The BNP want to stop immigration full stop. This is a quote from their immigration policy...

"To ensure that the British people retain their homeland and identity, we call for an immediate halt to all further immigration"

I don't have a clue where you got the idea that they would all be welcomed if they can offer something, they want to stop all immigration except for exceptional circumstances*.

There you go I didn't answer with a "I think this... so this is true" attitude, I backed it up with hard evidence.

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(*AKA. The Japanese physicist analogy he used, which is not the same as welcoming families of people would contribute. He will tell them who we need and not allow them even the chance to apply for work in other situations).