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MikeB said:
slowmo said:
MikeB said:
slowmo said:
MikeB said:
@ ironman

One example:
http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/articles/617/617951p1.html

That's extreme misinformation, countless fanboys made themselves look like fools because of such behaviour. Should nobody counter this? Sadly fanboys direct their anger at the wrong people, they should rather re-direct their anger towards Microsoft.

How about all the trouble you caused on this site with your misinformation saying the Bluray drive on the PS3 was faster than the 360 DVD drive (just one example).

Learn to read please. I stated the 360 DVDs read in part faster and in part slower than a PS3 Blu-Ray disc.

The reason for that discussion was certain fans claiming the top speed of a single layered disc was the 360 DVD's speed. This also refers to certain people claiming the PS3's Blu-Ray drive is too slow. But modern PS3 games like God of War 3 and Uncharted 2 proof this to be incorrect.

I did read that thread very carefully MikeB and you didn't claim in part at all.  You said that the Bluray drive in the PS3 could read data quicker than a DVD, you then started quoting averages for a 2x Bluray drive and only a 8x DVD drive claiming the 360's drive was slower.  When it was proved to you the 360 DVD drive was 12x so all your figures were wrong and your conclusion incorrect you never admitted you were wrong.  I think you need to get your memory checked.  I and most other people in that thread didn't say that the Bluray drive was too slow for games either, we funnily enough were just out to prove that you got your facts wrong, nothing more or less.  It doesn't matter what other people might have claimed either by the way, you were still spreading misinformation as you weren't right either.

I try not to bring up peoples past history MikeB but this is your thread about your past comments you've made so I think it is appropriate to add balance when you claim others have been misinforming people.

I just debunked that the max speed of the 360 DVD is the average read speed (the read speed of the inner tracks are slower than Blu-Ray). I pointed out the average read speed of a Blu-Ray disc is constant. I did not compare a 8x speed DVD drive, but a 12x speed DVD drive (which for a dual layer DVD reads as fast as a 8x DVD drive reads a single layer DVD), for this I used a Beyond3D discussion (and linked manual) as a source. I stated I don't know the exact speed of all the different used DVD drives on the 360, but 360 developers would need to take into account the slowest models.

I also pointed out that seektimes on Blu-Ray disc are faster, because the data is packed closer together, but worst case scenarios are worse (but the seektime of swapping DVDs is of course much slower ). I pointed out that the constant streaming speed of Blu-Ray disc is an advantage for developers who want to optimise, because the overall read speed is more predictable.

I pointed out that single layer DVD 360 games can be read faster, but they are small (3.4 GB) to be fully installed on the PS3's harddrive anyhow, which always reads much faster.

So, it's not as black & white as you present here at all.

I prefer the PS3's Blu-Ray (over a 360 drive) for its capacity, great loading schemes (like God of War 3 and Uncharted 2), it being far more silent, discs being scratch resistent and the ability to playback Blu-Ray movies.

Note that discussion started because of repeated claims by 360 fans the PS3 Blu-Ray drive is far too slow.

shouldn't we have debate threads for this type of argument?