Red Steel 2 U.S. Sales at 50,000

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Gamerace said:

bmmb1 said:

Oh wow, let's move the goal posts, let's discount any game that could disprove what we say (Tatusnoko doing very well for this type of game thank you, Reflex being a two year old port of a game that is already available at discount on the HD and with 0 advertising doing very well thank you), and add any game that may  prove our point no matter if the game was either considered crap by most of the series fans (FFCB) or had 0 advertising (NMH2) or had 0 advertising and was the wrong genre at the wrong time to boot (Extraction).

If MH TRi sells 50k first month NPD I will conceed you are correct. But both you and I know it will do more than that, so what will be your excuse? That it's getting an advertising campaign?

Monster Hunter has a (relatively) small but enthusiastic following outside of Japan.  I know a couple people buying Wii just for MH3 so without doubt it'll do better than RS2.   But then MH3 is a hell of a lot better game than RS2 simply because it doesn't skimp on anything.  Full single player, and massive online with unlimited gameplay with a ton of variety.   And yes, of course advertising should help but then FFCC had advertising and so did Madworld for all the good it did them so I don't count it for much.   Not so sure about legs on this though. 

I think CoDMWR sells well because if you own a Wii and you want a FPS it is the one to own.   I suspect most Wii owners are happy with one definitive game of a genre and not inclined to buy endless FPS like HD consoles owners.   Conduit 2 has it's work cut out for it.  I doubt many multiconsole owners play CoDMWR on Wii but would love to see stats proving me wrong.  According to VGC it was outsold by the bargain bin CoD3 last week.   Not exactly great legs.

As for T vs C, that's an interesting one.   I love the game and I'm not very 'core'.  It's easy, accessible and fun much like Brawl.  It's a really good match for the Wii audience plus it has online and you can play it with a friend which is a major reason people own Wiis.   The Vs series also has a loyal following.   I definitely can see multiconsole owners picking up TvsC on Wii because it's not on HD and it's full featured.   Still, it's not a big seller by any standard.    Regardless where is it on the Top 200?   Didn't see it.   We're talking legs here, and I'm sure TvsC will reappear after some price cuts but legs at bargain prices aren't all that appealing to developers (but they'll take it all the same).

I don't think I'm moving any goal posts.  I think you're right.  The 'core' Wii owners are almost all multiconsole owners so for a 'core' Wii game to sell big it's got to be better than anything on the HD consoles that month.  MH3 just might be but RS2 certainly wasn't.

MH3, unlike Madworld and FFCC, will warrant a full price purchase. I also acknowledge it will be frontloaded somewhat, but it should sell well. However, even if it does, it will be blamed on Nintendo bundling and cross promotion.

FFCC was a mediocre and short game, and Madworld was half as short. The fact that it is selling now (after 57 weeks) more than it was two months after its release is because  it is at a price where people feel comfortable and ungyped when they buy it. For the content you get in the game, $8-$20 is what it deserves. It managed 7k this week and passed 475k

FFCC still costs full price and the game got mixed reviews everywhere. It did not do one thing exceptionally right. I would not expect many to buy that, Seeing how Square Enix advertised FF13 (fairly poorly) FFCC ads would be like selling sand to an Afghan, or water to Aquafina.

I hate the word casual, so I'll say that early stage gamers bought CoD3 because of brand name, at an even lower price (must be below $20 now right?) Why would they buy Modern Warfare Reflex when the sequel is out, or when the games should probably be exactly the same, but Reflex is more expensive. The 'experienced gamers' are not the ones still buying COD3, I'll tell you that much.

Tatsunoko vs Capcom....I have talked with you about this game before; it was never going to burst out the gate with millions. Games with years of renditions like Street Fighter or Tekken cannot pass the 1.75 million mark on a single console. The only reason the legs don't look as good is because one version of TvC came out already in Japan, not much more than a year ago. It sold about 6.5k this week BTW at full price.

RS2 has a host of commercial problems, rather than critical.