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highwaystar101 on 09 April 2010
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nightsurge said:
nightsurge said:

30,000 cases is when the WHO claimed it to be a pandemic.  Check your own freakin source for the info on that one.

 

Ok, I misunderstood, that I'll retract. For some reason I thought you meant currently infected in the pandemic.

I still don't see why you would want so many people to take vaccines of a non-lethal virus then.  If it mutated, the current vaccine you already took wouldn't be any more affective than no vaccine in most cases.  So once again, the government and media were simply trying to get us to believe it already was some super violent strand that killed lots of people and the vaccine was our only hope.  If it mutates, we are all screwed anyways.

 

You still don't see why you would get people to take vaccines for a non lethal virus? We weren't vaccinating against the mutated lethal strain, we were trying to limit the current strain so it infected as few people as possible. The more people it infected, the higher chance of it mutating. The (world) government(s) (yes, they all recognised it as a threat) tried to limit the amount of people who got swine flu, and they were, to this point, successful. Swine flu is a virus that humans have no natural immunity to, if the government hadn't of stepped in to try and reduce the risk, everyone would have had swine flu, and if everyone had swine flu the risk of mutation would have been high.

 

Actually, even today the vaccines cause permanent handicaps and stuff.  Even the normal season flu vaccines cause irreparable damage in some people.  Vaccines are not guaranteed safe.  They never are.  Not to mention seasonal vaccines are mere guesses to which strand will be dominant this season.  I don't know about you but I don't feel like injecting myself with a "guess".

Are you serious? You wouldn't let someone vaccine you because you don't trust vaccines due to a small risk? It's not a guess...

I would rather live in a world where polio, small pox, diptheria, mumps, rubella, etc are all vaccinated against, all those vaccines work well, in fact they have saved substantially more lives than the couple of freak cases where they have cost lives.

Vaccines work.

I guess when I hear the word pandemic, as well as the general public, we assume it is something serious, not something that has some slight chance of being serious.  And what is the point of taking a vaccine for a non-lethal strain if there was to be a mutated strain far more severe?  Only a vaccine for the mutated strain would be any help.

I've already explained why the vaccine for the current strain was needed in the last section. I refer you back to that.

Oh and still 600,000 cases as of today worldwide would still only be .01% and I still don't see how that meets a large portion of the population in order to be named a pandemic in the first place.  Just face it, the government and the pharmaceutical companies just wanted some easy money, and they also knew creating a panic would lead to an economic boost as people would rush stores and things to buy supplies.

Only 600,000? You still don't understand what the situation was do you? 600,000 today, but with no natural immunity in humans worldwide, 600,000 today would become 600 million in a matter of weeks. I'll say it again, it spreads like wildfire. Honestly, anyone who has read around the subject outside of newspapers and blogs for five minutes would understand the severity of the situation.

 

It wasn't just some government conspiracy either, they did not want you to rush to stores to buy supplies. My country gave vaccines for swine flu out for free, my country gave advice over the phone to hundreds of thousands of people for free, my country saw thousands upon thousands of people in clinics for free. Most governments did the same. Most governments lost millions trying to prevent swine flu.

There was no room to make profit from swine flu. Such a conspiracy is ludicrous.

Look, I can't tell if you are just being stubborn now. But swine flu was a serious case. It was overblown in the press I grant you, but governments acted accordingly and they managed to limit something that would have been potentially extremely dangerous if it had gotten out of control.