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Kasz216 said:
Does the average person who has played Solataire put in 40-50 hours? Or do the occasional person do so... and most people who have played solataire only play 1-4 games and quit? A Hardcore player puts a lot of time into games. Be it multiple, or be it one game like soltaire or minesweeper. A Hardcore game is a game large number of people who own the game put a lot of time into the game. Most people play 1 or 2 games of solatair maybe 20 games of minesweeper their entire lives. Therefore, not a hardcore game.

First of all, no. Most people play 4-5 games of Solitaire per DAY when they go to work at an office, which is a crapton of people. I know family members who have logged well over 300 hours playing Solitaire.

Second, what's the difference between a game played 300 times for 1 hour at a time or 1 game played for 300 hours? Neither spend the entire 300 hours in ONE sitting, of course not. So why is the latter more "hardcore" when both games can be played leisurely and at your own pace?

WoW is another excellent example of where this theory falls apart. I know people who have logged game time of several MONTHS and yet WoW is regarded as one of the most casual games ever because it allows for players to play the game slowly and go at their own pace, just like most JRPGs.

It doesn't matter if a game features 1,000 hours of gameplay. So long as the player isn't being challenged to better themselves so as to beat the game then there are more hardcore experiences out there, like No More Heroes, for example.

I realize you're trying to lay a foundation of definition here, but time put in can't be the sole determining factor because there are just too many examples which sneak past it. 



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