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BTW, I've found this argument to be enjoyable and somewhat enlightening. I've actually been considering getting a Wii to catch some of the excellent JRPGs coming down the pipeline, and I'd been wondering if I'd been overlooking some games that had already been released. That looks to not be the case, however.

Never played Mass Effect 2. Just Mass Effect - which i have.

Mass Effect 1 is not a great game, I'll be the first to admit that. It has some serious flaws.

But the point is: I don't like WRPGs and I don't think that they're great. So even if I play Mass Effect 2 I'm not gonna find it great - no matter what you say to me! So stop telling me they're absolutely great, because they're not. They're great for people who find them great!

Even worse is oblivion, which I find one of the worst games (definately the most generic) of this generation! But you'll probably won't believe this either, won't you, because I bet it too is sooo great!!!

I don't like Oblivion either, personally. But I can acknowledge that it's a great game, just like I can acknowledge that Super Mario Galaxy is a great game in spite of the fact that I don't like easy-mode cartoon platformers.

All this "everything is relative!!" stuff is a copout, and a cowardly one at that. No, not everything is relative. Some games are great, most games are not. One of my personal favorite games is Spyro 2 for the PS1, but you're not going to catch me arguing that it's a fundamentally great game that stands tall among the classics of the generation.