| Mazty said: Wow, I'll sum it up for both of you here: 1) Find another word instead of goalposts. 2) I am going to mention PC games because I am talking about GAMING. You cannot claim a game has been revolutionary for a genre unless you look at the entire genre, not a specific little bit. Doing that you could claim any game is revolutionary. 2ii)Therefore point and click adventures are not revolutionary, and i'm going to compare Zelda to the entire RPG game catalogue, not just itself. If you don't you could claim a popularly perceived bad game e.g. Haze, is good if you just compare it a cherry picked game e.g. Doom. 2iii) Zelda = RPG. Oblivion = RPG. Ratchet and Clank = platformer. Halo = FPS. Well done on misclassifying those games. And Oblivion is on the 360. 3) You cannot use the all the wii buttons effectively at once. Try using 1 and 2 when the pad is being used as a pointer or A when you are holding the pad sidewise etc. 4) My point has been that real gamers are not into the wii (which is going to effect future Nintendo console sales if it just goes for an improved wii) as it offers no revolutionary games or definitive games for the genres offered. I point this out then you both moan that i'm "moving goalposts" as i'm comparing wii games to games on other platforms. Well duh, that's the point, looking at the wii games in contrast to the consoles which are perceived to be for the "real" gamers. 4ii)All you have come up with is that the wii games are better than their predecessors, but not better than other games on the market, and that the wii excels in arcade novelties such as light guns and steering wheels. Why would a hardcore gamer buy a wii? What genre defying games are on the wii? |
1) Find another tactic instead of moving the goalposts. Try arguing the actual topic for a change.
2) The discussion was about progression from OOT to TP, versus KZ1 to KZ2 actually. Since you've continually failed to even bring up the latter, and with the former decided to sidestep any relevant discussion with talking about Oblivion (wtf?) out of the blue, I'm going to have to assume you don't actually have anything to contribute and acknowledge TP's rather obvious generational progression in this case.
Also, Zelda's NOT an RPG, and certainly not an open world RPG. In truth it and the Elder Scrolls games do have about as much in common as R&C and Halo (which could both be distilled down to "shooters"). I'm not the cherrypicker here, you are with this sudden out of context Oblivion fixation.
3) A's pretty easy to press when the pad's sideways honestly. Is your thumb broken?
4) 42% of PS3 owners have a Wii. 42% of 360 owners have a Wii. 72% of Wii owners have or had a PS2. Can you define "real gamer" for me? Could you also name the definitive 3D platformer this gen for me? ;)
