Should Nintendo launch in 2011-12 starting the next gen with monster power?

[vaio]

Mazty said:

vaio said:

Mazty said:

"Wii owners do care about graphics but not at the expense of gameplay" & "whats more important is gameplay innovations and games wich is why Wii is winninig"

I have answered that but you ignored it and I gave you an example of FPS games here is some more: Driving games is another, Dancing games like Just dance is another gameplay innovation, point and click games, Silent hill games use of the wiimote is another gameplay innovation, tennis games, golf games, baseball games, table tennis games, puzzle games like bloom blox, balance board games, shaune white snowboard game, fitness games.... 

I have shown how the wiimote and poor hardware of the wii makes gameplay worse as the AI cannot be nearly as advanced as on the 360 or PS3, and the wiimote gives less control than a pad due to turning (pointer going off screen), less buttons etc. Also in most games graphics are key to making the game more immersive and believable such as any simulation game (sports, racing etc), fps draw distance, RTS' etc.You havent shown anything but you are claiming alot show me some proof and i will respong to this and also Metroid, RE 4, Call of duty games proves you wrong about the wiimote being worse and the pointer off scren comment, Mariokart shows you how immersive a steering wheel controlling is more immersive then a controller, any golf, tennis game or bowling game, table tennis game shows you how much better simulation becomes with a Wii controller and soon the move controller. Ofcourse AI cant be as good as on 360 or ps3 they are stronger hardware but if it´s programmed well enough you still have a more then good enough AI. Less buttons for the most part is irrelevant s alot of button movements are mapped to motion. Wiimote has 7 buttons commonly used for gaming xbox controller has 8 buttons used for gaming and you can map motion to some actions if done right it´s more immersive then button pushing.

Plus what gameplay innovations have wii games had on game genres other than "waggle the pad to move up" etc?

Stop digressing and answer your claims from many pages back.

Now how about you show some proof to backup your claims  with a relevant survey that most wii´s collect dust or are you just talking out of your ass as you did with the 180ms lag?

Wait so the wiimote is revolutionary because you can use it as a light gun or steering wheel...Uhuh or how about just use a light gun or steering wheel? Point and click games are a revolution because they never existed on the PC, or that the PS3 or 360 couldn't very, very easily do them? How about they were ebbed out of main gaming because they were archaic?
Wii gestures mess up sport games as it's just a gesture needed, not a full motion. Oh and the graphics are so abysmal how could you be immersed in a game that's trying to recreate reality, against brain dead AI?
Fitness games are a totally new thing, but guess what, they are a fad as the gym would be better. Plus snowboard games etc have all been done in arcades before. The wii is just a versitile arcade machine - it's done nothing new, just mashing exisiting arcade input devices (light guns, steering wheel etc) into one device.

So the pointer never goes off screen with wii FPS'? And how about turning, strafing etc, not to mention, how are all those buttons working out for the wii pad? You know, change grenade, use grenade, change weapon, crouch, jump, melee, sprint etc.
Steering wheels can be bought for either the 360 or PS3 so what's your point? Not to mention, how come it's known that the GC pad is better for Mario Kart than the wii mote.  And yeah, simulation is good with just god awful graphics, sure....Less buttons is irrelevant HOW?!?! Waggle to do something ISNT IMMERSIVE, it's just time consuming. Oh and the wii buttons are also a pain to use if you use the pointer, so dont act as if it has 7 always usable buttons, because it doesn't.

Please show me wii games which have raised the level of expectation of gamers from that genre.

 

We are still talking consoles here and not pc´s so dont use that argument when all else fails.

Wii has 7 buttons that are used commonly in gaming and all that strafing stuff has been done if you bothered playing a wii game like metroid.

Now you are moving goalposts again but we knew you would by now.

Now how about you show some proof of all your claims before we go further?

You wanted answers you got them, I even proved with links what the base latency of the wiimote is and you haven shown anything to proove your claims.

Still waiting for a relevant survey that most wii´s are collecting dust

Also show us how hdconsoles have progressed gaming and no better graphics is not a progression of gaming its a natural evolution from gen to gen nd all consoles this gen have progressed with graphical ability in their machine (HD more then WIi but its still a progress from last gen) so can you show any progression made by hd consoles outside of graphics?