Geohot hate piracy and stuff

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zarx said:

Scruff7 said:

zarx said:

Scruff7 said:

zarx said:

Scruff7 said:
If someone were to buy one copy a game, and then sell it later as a second hand game, there is still one copy of that game, it has just changed owner.

A pirate may buy a game, and then produce many many copies of that game, sell them on for profit and probably keep the original. There are now many illegal copies of a game.

Which is wrong?

neither and both, in both cases there is still one copy sold the only difference is that more people get to use the copy faster in one example than the other.

I don't think we are going to see eye to eye on this issue, your view of what is right and what is wrong differs on this issue.

I feel that you are attempting to justify your use of illegal, pirated games, which i do not condone.

where did I say I condoned "illegal, pirated games" I want other people to try condone second hand games so I can argue with them for the fun of it while getting people to think about it. I would like for someone to admit that it is similar to piracy but I don't think anyone will and I don't actualy have a problem with anyone buying used games I do it myself I just want people to make an informed decision lol, oh and I found the Geohot hate to be over the to and un justified as I don't think he is even trying to allow pirated games on the PS3

second hand sales are a measured, predictable and understood risk that are accepted risk that can be mitigated against to some extent. pirated games are not and represent a significant threat to developers, publishers and platform holder business models.

You may be right, and sometime in the future publishers will have to change their business model, especially as developers will be able to circumvent them by releasing directly to their audience, in a similar way to the music industry.

I don't know whether the Geohot hate is justified or not. It concerns me that the Sony perceive this to be a significant enough risk to remove an application from their software as i would rather they did not. And I don't know if publishing what he has will really damage the industry or not, but he is a very capable hacker, he may not even have to allow pirated game to run on a PS3, but the information he is releasing may allow others to do that.

I don't know if people will agree with you or not, will you agree that pirating is wrong, and fundamentally different from second hand sales? Is this not comparable to car sales?

i wouldn't buy pirated games, but i know people who do and that's their decision, i'm not about to shop them though! I do sometimes buy second hand games though, but only where i can't find new versions, usually just for my PSP.

I will never say that piracy is always wrong just as I will never say that theft is always wrong (poor man stealing a loaf of bread to stop from starving) just as you buy used copies of games you can't get any other way some people download pirated copies of games that are not available to them but yea I would never buy a pirated copy of a game also but I would also not be so quick to judge someone in china buying a $2 copy of a game when it is the only reasonable way of them getting a copy because they only get enough money to spend that much on games in a week or even month after you take living costs into consideration, the only other way would be for him to steal a copy and that would hurt the retailer/customer who he stole it from far more than the pirated copy could hurt publishers.

ok, i can agree with that. most of it anyway. except maybe the lack of punctuation. my inner monologue almost suffocated ;)