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hsrob said:
Mazty said:
hsrob said:
Mazty said:
They'll probably go for an improved wii. Either way Nintendo have shot themselves in the foot. They may be ahead at the moment, but the market buying the wii will not bother to buy an improved wii as surveys indicate that many wiis are now dust collectors, with serious gamers playing on either the xbox or ps3, resulting in all the hardcore franchises on either the ps3, pc or 360, and not with nintendo.
It's hard to see what Nintendo could do as many people who own HD tvs either already own a wii or are not bothered by one, as hd is for impressive visuals, something the wii is incapable of, and without bluray, is still incapable of delivering in terms of media playback.

Surveys mean squat, this is a sales site.  Using the following chart we can see the attach rates for the current systems.  If we assume half of all Wiis sold are currently occupying a place in the consumers closet it means that attach rate for active users is 13.36, possibly the highest for all current gen systems. 

3,356,679 (+18%) 225,389,182 6.77
2,476,298 (+61%) 537,100,756 4.19
2,227,230 (-2%) 462,739,894 6.68
1,756,176 (-19%) 337,203,923 8.67
579,199 (-3%) 149,120,697 2.61
278,249 (-5%) n/a

n/a

Even if the abovementioned and undoubtedly reputable surveys yielded a closet occupation and dust collecting rate for the Wii as low 20% of all systems sold, the attach rate for active users would still be approaching that of the 360 and significantly higher than the PS3. 

In case you don't get my point, somebody is buying the games, whether they play them or not is for the most part irrelevant.

 

Does the attach rate include accessories? If so then the wii figures are going to be hideously messed due to the numb-chuck, steering wheel etc.
Plus is there any specific games that are being sold? If it's just shovelware, then my point stands that the owners of the wii are not serious gamers and therefore the wii market is not sustainable in the long run.

Why would it include accessories, it's games only. 

In the scale of time which matters to consoles the Wii has already proven that it is sustainable in the long run.   The Wii could be cut today and the sales it has already achieved make it an unqualified success. The attach rate has been rising continuously since it's release rather than falling so it's owners are sure buying alot of games for people that aren't 'serious' gamers. Whether you see particular value in these games is once again irrelevant when 70+ million do.

 

...Since when does high sales = sustainable into the next generation? The attach rate means nothing unless you can analyse what games are being sold. If they are all high quality titles, then yes, it would seem that true gamers are using the wii, so people who would be interested in purchasing a next gen console. If not then it is dubious whether these owners would purchase a future console, which could cause concern for Nintendo if you look into the next gen.

You are ignoring the idea that if they are just buying junk, they most likely would not be interested in a new wii, meaning that if Nintendo released anything other than a power house of a console, they are going to flop.