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kitler53 on 26 March 2010
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RolStoppable said:
kitler53 said:
i'm going to ignore all the crying and get right you the point.

"This was inspired by the thread about GTA Chinatown Wars, but this is broader than that. This is about the supposed notion that userbase is to blame for a game not selling well."

Wrong, it is the user bases fault. nintendo fans have flooded vgchartz lately with threads crying about third parties not bring the kind of games the market leader deserves. "oh noes, the developers are lazy" you say. "they didn't advertise enough" you say. "they aren't bringing their top tier franchises" you say. well too bad, GTA:CW is an amazing game from a great brand that had great advertising and still it failed. the reason: the nintendo userbase doesn't want the GTAs, the No More Heroes, the Red Steels, the muramasas...

Cry all you want but here is the honest truth of the matter. Nintendo is a great developer, no doubt about it. but nintendo makes a certain type of game: family friendly, cartoony, simplistic, with unique user interfaces. the userbase of the wii and the ds were created on the backs of great nintendo hits like nintendogs, new super mario brothers, mario kart, wii fit, wii sports.

now take particular notice to what those games are not like...they're not at all like GTA. but you know who is making games much more similar to GTA? Sony and Microsoft. consumers aren't stupid, consumers that want simple family friendly fair are going to buy wiis, consumers that what complex violent fair are going to buy 360s or ps3.

in the end, nintendo systems don't deserve games like GTA, dead space, assassins creed, ect any more then the ps3 deserves the port of EA active it's getting. the userbase just isn't there.

GTA:CW is nowhere the same as the style that made the series popular in the first place, it's not that hard to understand. You might as well wonder why 2D Mario platformers sell so much more than the more critical acclaimed 3D games, but the answer is the same: They are different kinds of games, hence the difference in sales.

No More Heroes is kinda like Killer 7. Didn't sell on the PS2 even though GTA was the top dog on the console.
Red Steel is definitely not a great game. I guess you can compare it to a franchise like Red Faction if you want. Didn't sell spectacularly on the PS2 either.
Muramasa. Well, Odin Sphere. Didn't sell on the PS2 either.

Not that many consumers buy 360s and PS3s due to first party games, that's evidenced by third party games being so present on the million sellers list, even at the top. What that means is that most consumers seem to go where the games are. So if it's made, it should sell. GTA:CW is the best selling top down GTA in the series. Dragon Quest IX is going to be the best selling game of the series. Monster Hunter Tri will easily become the best selling title of the series on a home console. How is that possible if what you say is correct?

Well, the answer is that you are wrong.

no, consumers go to where the games they want to play are.  i mean, i'm guessing you didn't become a wii only owner simply by chance.  i'm sure it's a fair assumption that you didn't toss up a 3 sided coin and just by chance end up with a wii.  you bought it because it has the kinds of games you want to play.  the games each of the big three put out are quite different: sony with an emphisis on cinematic gaming, ms with a focus on online gaming, and nintendo with a focus on motion gaming.  three highly differentiated marketing schemes will result in three hightly differentiated markets.

i mean really, just dance is almost 2.5M units sold and it's selling well over 100K units a week right now.  i'd bet this game ends up well above 5M units LTD.  now are you honestly going to tell me that either the 360 or the ps3 has the userbase to sell this kind of game with even a fraction of that type of success?  that the consumers would have gone to where the games are?  heck no, that's a game that only the wii can make successful.  so why is it so hard to grasp that there are other types of software that will just never have the same kind of success on a nintendo console as it would on a 360 or ps3??