Carl2291 said:
jesus kung fu magic said:
Carl2291 said:
jesus kung fu magic said:
Carl2291 said:
jesus kung fu magic said:
Sony did not innovate anything......their controller at launch didnt even have any analog sticks but once the N64 analog was getting praise , sony made the dual-stick model controller and when nintendos rumble pak took off , sony made the dual shock......all sony has done is copy Nintendo by literally doubling it.
It is a case of follow the leader.
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Sony have historically improved upon those ideas though, so it's not all bad.
Analogue -> Dual Analogue
Rumble Pak -> Built in Rumble
Anyway...
Why do we never see any complaints about say, the DVD? Wasn't the PlayStation 2 the first console to use DVD tech? Yet now it is used by the Xbox... Or wasn't the original PlayStation the console with CD-based tech to first "use it successfully", with over 100Million units sold? We never hear anything about those though do we?
Or even the PlayStation Memory Card... Surely that was the first to be uber popular, with 100M+ sales of the console... Why don't we ever hear anything about that? Both Wii and 360 STILL use Memory Cards.
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Being the first to be popular isnt the same as being innovative.....which should be obvious.
And the ps2 using dvd's is just progression NOT innovation.....there were other gaming machines using discs as mediums and dvd's were the next discs to be used. You dont hear about any of these in an innovations discussion because they have no place in them.
Yes Sony broke these once after thought products and made them gaming standards , but that is not innovating that is using past ideas for your own success.
Thats one reason I believe that the Move will fail and Natal will have a chance to succeed......the move is already copying something that is easily the biggest thing in console gaming history which is the wii-mote and that will make it look like a copycat.While Natal is copying something that faltered and improving on it vastly which is the eyetoy.....this gives Natal a chance while the Move is already sent to its deathbed at birth.
*BTW , most cd-based consoles before the PS1 used memory cards......case in point the sega-cd.
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I was just waiting for you to use that 
Nintendo fans have been saying Motion Controls are the future. Surely that means it's just "progression", yes? And they should be happy both Sony and MS are also jumping on the tech... Yes?
But oh no. It's TERRIBLE that they are also starting with Motion Control! How dare they! 
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Using motion controls is not progression as it is breaking the mold on how we play video games which makes it different than anything welse on the market.....thats innovation.
The only difference between the dvd and cd is that one has more storage than the other......it would still be possible to have the ps2 use cd's but it would be far too troublesome and whould probably take at least3-4 cd's for each game......if you consider this innovation than every single mp3 manufacturer who has had the mp3 with the highest storage at one point has innovated......which complete bull as all they did was just add more gigs of storage.
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In that case, the EyeToy on PS2 (or even the Dream Eye on Dreamcast, if you want) should also take credit for Motion Controls, as they also redefined how we played videogames then, now and in the future (PS Eye / Natal). Infact, when Natal is shown... And the PS fanbase goes crazy over it with the "OMG EyeToy copy!" bullcrap, can i expect to see you backing the PS Fans?
From what i've seen on these forums for well over a year, the general thought of the Wii fanbase is that Motion controls are the "future", and Sony/MS needed to jump on board / "Catch up". Now they are, it's just not fair and they are copying scum. The thing they seem to be bothered about is how Sony have slated the motion controls, but now embrace them... Hypocrisy. Which is just the same as what the Nintendo fans are doing as we speak...
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Why should the pseye take credit when the dream eye came before it?
Anyways ,dont make this into waht it isnt.....when someone says that nintendo did not invent motion controls or atleast were the first to use it in gaming (ala the power glove) and then have the gall to say Nintendo copied Sony.....I will obviously give a hard reality check no matter what you think.
The reason why everyone is calling it a rip-off and why everyone is getting at sony (which is by all means absolutely deserved imo) is that their once labled "fad" is now going to be one of their biggest pushes.....which is sad. Yes MS also deserves this as well , but why they arent harped at like Sony is that they did not out-right copy what they once rediculed but instead imbraced Motion controls in a different way. Had Sony done their motion controls in a different way , by innovating instead of copying the market leader , then they wouldnt get nearly as much heat as they are now.
