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Xen on 22 March 2010
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naznatips said:
Xen said:
naznatips said:
Xen said:

And yet, some of these still fall into common JRPG cliches. I've NEVER said that a JRPG has to perform all of these, those are just some defining traits - all you did was provide deviations to my perfect examples of fall-ins into the definitions.

So no, I'm not embarrassed. ME2 is still different enough not to be a JRPG.

Dude... I just matched ME2 to every single one of your defintions. Be a man and admit your definition is invalidated, and that you need to not define genres by such ridiculous statements. A real man admits when he's wrong. Trying to defend such a silly definition after it was so thoroughly debased in every way is asinine.

I admit to being somewhat wrong, but as long as there are games that match these traits, I can't be completely wrong, can I?

 

Yes... yes it can! lol

I can say that WRPGs are defined by having a robotic/unemotional character in your party (HK-47, Shale, Legion), and by your definition that would be okay, because some games do, but obviously that's not an okay way to define the whole genre.

 

@ Kasz

Now you're just pulling stuff out of nothing. There's no evidence whatsoever that people who like SRPGs would prefer WRPGs to JRPGs. In fact that directly contradicts not only the evidence seen in the poll, but your own freaking argument, in which you stated JRPG fans on PS3 include it to boost lists. Well obviously they like the damn game or they wouldn't include it, and they certainly wouldn't be grouping it with JRPGs.

As far as WRPGs being tactical/strategic, the only one that's beein in the last 4 years that was remotely good is Dragon Age, which isn't even tactical on consoles cause they removed all of that for controller limitations. Of course there are western strategy RPGs... there are western Action RPGs too, and even western Turn-Based RPGs. JRPGs are RPGs with Japanese-style content, which differs enormously from the style of content found in Western games. It's a genre determination based on style, which has a large effect on the way the game is presented. All Strategy JRPGs share this.

As far as "none of these games being mentioned on JRPG lists before Valkyria" I suggest searching back through the old forum lists from 2007 or so. I believe you'll find you're grossly mistaken. I remember stickball making a 360 JRPG list which included that awful Zoids SRPG game.

Also you never answered my question about Resonance of Fate. JRPG or not?

I defined the commonalities, not various format-pushing deviations.

@Tor: You say that "jRPG's are about linear storylines usually with predefined characters" and yet you call my definitions stupid? That's two of my definitions worded in a different way!