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tokilamockingbrd said:

I am so tired of everyone refering to FPS games are the HARDCORE! I do agree that PC FPS games are but I know so many stupid Xbox fanboys who know nothing about games but they play Halo, and its Teh best GamE EVAR!, OMG they drive me crazy, and the only other games they own is Call of Duty, Tom Clancy, Madden, Tony Hawk, and some lame ass Motocross game. I know so many people who only play those game who are retarted High Schoolers just cuz its cool.

So Please stop referring to Halo, CoD etc, as Hardcore, too be fair this class also includes Goldeneye, all other Bond Games. Basically FPS games are for older casual gamers who like violance and pretty graphics.

Note- Some Hardcore gamers love FPS games, and if you play them all you are hardcore, just saying FPS games are by no means FPS, in fact in the US they are the Zenith of Casual. Japan and Europe are a slightly different story.

Rant Over

I think I am turning in to a Call of Duty fanboy....

Just to knitpick though; I used to play CoD nearly every waking hour that I could. This could end up being as much as 12-14 hours a day of playing(for entire weeks of course). I don't know if that is enough proof to you that a FPS can be hardcore, but if dedication is all that is needed, then I think this can be considered pretty close.

I supose hardcorenesseseses can change from person to person and game to game.

As some more anecdotal evidence, some of my friends were as dedicated to becoming good at Halo 2 as I was in CoD; spending nearly as much time a day playing it. Can Halo 2 still be considered casual if there are probably more people who are willing to spend that much of their time on a game than just my friends.

I agree that FPS are popular, and that many people just play them because they are popular, but to group so many games as all casual just because of those people seems wrong. This is especially so when you choose to use games like Halo and CoD as examples. I think you are choosing a few examples of people going with what is popular and ignoring the other group that is made up of people like myself and my friends who can probably be considered very dedicated to their respective games.