bdbdbd said:
Efficient to who? The capitalist, not society. They can't co-exist, you're right about that, that's the reason why i said earlier that the communistic country needs to be isolated and don't use money. Communism is financially much more efficient system than capitalism. In communism you don't need money. You need to think outside the box. And why should communism ignore supply and demand? There's no reason that i can think of for that. Now you assume, that everyone would want everything. That's how it works in capitalism, when everything has a value in money or everything expensive would be seen as luxury items. You need to think outside the box again. What happens when the diamond doesn't have that value in money and therefore can't be seen as a luxury item? @Nintendownsmii: I agree about that ideal part, but the problem is, that it's the revolution and dictatorship stage, that people (with the power) are stuck with. Somewhat ideal communism works at the moment in smaller scales all over the world -maybe even at your home, but in larger scale, it doesn't tend to work, since the people with power tend to turn into capitalist since it benefits them more. So the democratict phase stays unreached. Although, usually the dictators call themselves as communists to stay in power. |
Efficient in terms of total output, commonly measured as GDP. In capitalist society, the entire society considered as a whole gets more due to the superior market efficiency, but there are is no re-distribution of that wealth to even it out.
Money isn't the issue you can have value aside from it in barter systems. Diamonds are shiny, pretty, and perhaps most importanly rare. Even in barter systems they were historically incredibly valuable. You're arbitrarily saying that in your communist society that diamonds won't have value but they will regardless of what any two-bit fearless leader declares. The moment two people disagree with him your ideal communist society collapses. The government is forced to either let market forces establish a value for diamonds, or try in vain to "re-educate" people that diamonds don't have value through whatever suppresive, controlling measures it wants to try.
"Communism is financially much more efficient than capitalism" WTF? any time you set prices you are ignoring supply and demand. The whole point of supply and demand is that the market reaches an equilibrium price on its own.
You seem to believe that money makes things less efficient when the exact opposite is true. Without money its far more difficult and less efficient for the market to reach the equilibrium price, let alone have anyone buy anything and get goods to those who will actually use them as quickly as possible. Do you really want, or are you even prepared, to care for the 40 chickens I give you for my wii until you sell them again? Money is an invention that makes trade, and hence economic activity, more efficient not less.
If your ideal communism doesn't set prices, allot goods, or allot jobs and their incomes, I don't really know what system of government you're talking about but any country that does, is ignoring supply and demand and in consequence, is less efficient than the ideal capitalist society.
Communism is a form of government thought up by ignoramuses with no understanding of economics and the way the world works. (As Played_out read both the Wealth of Nations and Das Kapital and decide for your self whose work is more intelligent.) Their self-perceived righteousness in enforcing social justice does not make them any more comptetent at running a society. Communism is horribly inefficient to society, and -- worse -- can't conceivably work as long as humans are free to decide their own desires and act on them in an ecomonic manner. Its a failure in theory and in history.
