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imo i think natal is going to ruin the xbox with all these casual shitty family games! what else can be done with it? how the fuck can you play an fps with natal? you cant do shit wihtout a controller. i guarantee natal will be the biggest flop of the year! not that the technology is bad but because the games are going to suck for it. casual games to an extremely hardcore shooter loving, halo loving, anything with guns loving audience= FLOP!