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Slimebeast on 14 February 2010
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Akvod said:
Slimebeast said:
Akvod said:

My thoughts? I mean... Jesus, what can DICE possibly do if you're not motivated to complete the objectives. I think your problem is simply that you don't have any buddies to play this game with and coordinate. Although I though you 360 people will be alright with the ammount of mic owners you guys have, if you communicate and strategize with people, the objectives don't feel random. When you spam C4s to a Quad with a buddy and take out nearly 3/4s of crate B's HP, that's fun. When you're shouting to simply demolish the walls of the house so you can bring it down, that's fun. When you get a charge on the objective and you tell your buddy to run up the ladder with you and kill all the fools who just go up the stairs, that's fun. When you steal an enemy's tank and wreck havock on them, that's fun. When you tell your squad to raid the indoors objective first, and you're wielding our shotty at close range, that's fun.

 

I mean, but still, you don't have any motivation to run back and defuse a crate? You don't feel the pinch when you're defending crates that are in collapsable buildings and a enemy tank pierces through your defenses? When you see a swarm of enemies break through your front lines and you're on a Heavy MG?

I don't see the problems with switching sides after every round... SOCOM did it, don't know about the old skool games yo, but I like to have some variation in my gameplay.

Green: you're describing lots of game moments that I agree are extremely fun, and they often come naturally, but they don't necessarily connect with the feeling that winning is important. And sitting with your buddy on a hilltop sniping people is just as fun, but it doesn't help the team much.

Red: what's that? C4s? Quad? crate's HP?

Don't get me wrong, switching sides ain't bad and most games do it, but in combination with the artificial team objectives a constant switching of sides doesn't help mutch. I mean in ET QW you can play on the Strogg side the whole night if you want, so it's unfortunate that BC2 didn't use any trick to make the team play more important. Like in MAG you even have to choose one faction and stick with it.

Green: I don't really find it fun to just sit around and do nothing. But even if you do garner enjoyment from that, don't you think that you're not going to get a lot of kills if there's 3 people already sniping from the same spot? Don't you have any other interest besides sniping?

Red: The quad bikes, or ATV, are very agile but also vulnerable vehicles. By putting 10-12 C4s on it, you can create an enormous explosion. If you manage to maneuver through all the chaos and enemies, and ram the bike into obective B (in the first phase of the attack) you can cause major damage to it. Objective B can be pretty hard to destroy through arming since it's not in a destructible building, it's within a crater so it's not really practicle to shoot if with the tank, and it's overlooked by many stationary MGs, rockets, etc.

I don't really see how BC's objectives are "artificial". I mean, if you're wanting some sort of attachment to them, the best way is to simply say "I want to win". Why do you want to win? Because you're playing a video game with the objective to succeed in some form. Whether it is by getting the highest K/D ratio, annoying people by TKing them, etc. It's simply you, not DICE's fault, that you're not interested in completeting the objective meant to be completed.

I mean, I really don't know what to say. All I can tell you is to loosten up, allow yourself to get soaked into the game, don't worry about K/D ratios, but simply desire to win (which is by completeting the objectives given by the devs).

I'm not getting though to you man.

Just saying "I want to win" isn't enough to make objectives meaningful. It almost sounds like you have never heard of this problem before? That in team based games there often are too many so called  "XP-whores", "sniper f**s", "vehicle whores" and whatnot, who don't care if the team wins, and therefore in a way are ruining the experience for those who want their team to play effectively to have the chance to win. I hear these complaints very often even in Quake Wars, the mother game designed to motivate players into team play instead of solo achievements.

Green: what? Where did I hint that I enjoy "sit around and do nothing" lol? And where did I say I only want to snipe? I love to do everything in war games. I play every class, every strategy. Including sniping.

And about the "loosen up" thing. As these are multiplayer community based games, it's very important what others think unfortunately. I can't just decide this by myself. If the general atmosphere is "fuck team play, Im all about getting kills" then you'll get frustrated if you are a dedicated team guy. I've experienced it so many times. The majority must want the same thing or else it's just not fun to team play. Luckily I do think Battlefield and BC-players will appreciate team play and winning, and hopefully that feeling will pass on to me.