Xelloss said:
Slimebeast said:
Xelloss said:
Mendicate Bias said:
Xelloss said:
De85 said:
I guess since these numbers are from EA they are only for retail sales and have nothing to do with Steam because otherwise the PC numbers for L4D would be absolutely abysmal. |
For L4D you are absolutely correct, EA numbers only covers what EA handles which for L4D was ofc only retail.
The interesting thing is the DAO numbers proved yet again that PC is far from dead and the PC version well outsold the PS3 version and most likely out revenued the 360 version. Go PC.
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Well considering that Dragon Age was made with the PC version in mind and that it played completely differently and most would say better on PC has more to do with its sales than anything. Try making the same comparison with countless other games this gen and the numbers won't hold up as well.
Although don't tell Shio this unless you want to hear about how COD4 sold 10 million on PC with no proof what so ever to back it up.
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Well yeah, you are pretty much making the same general point I often make. I have never said games outsell their console counterparts jst because they are PC.
Just making the point that, a superior PC game does still in fact, have a large profitable market. Shit ports of shit games obviously would not do as well as a superior version of a superior game.
I was saying months ago that DAO sales would be "the" litmus test as to whether or not PC is truly headed toward the crapper and it seems apparent now that the PC has the theoretical viability of both core gaming consoles for AAA titles. I expect Mass Effect 2 and then BF:BC2 numbers to further prove that PC is now peaking again as a solid platform.
edit: @ Slime / others
Also, there is no reason to belive there are 500k copies sitting on store shelves and I find it amazing that people can conjure numbers like that and still spend time bashing Shio for making things up. Even if the 500k number was accurate, going by this sites number putting X360 @ 1.32m and PS3 at .62m for a total of 1.94m then adding another .5m - that puts PC sales still at ~700k since game has shipped 3.2m to date.Which is greater than the PS3 sales.
It is also possible they are not counting digital sales in the "shipped" numbers, but I think they are. My best guesstimate puts the number of copies on shelves much lower than 500k though, 500k is an aweful lot. I would say DAO sold 800~900k on PC thus far, with about 300k being retail PC shipments and the remainder being DD. Cant prove that 100% , yet.
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Listen. I was actually generous with those 500K. It's a fact - not speculation - that 2.7 mill were shipped between launch in Nov and the end of Quarter which was 31 Dec 2009. Do you believe all those 2.7 million were sold in that time, before 1 Jan 2010? Of course not. It's reasonable to assume at least 200K sitting on shelves on 1 Jan 2010. So actual sales are 2.5 mill tops for 3 versions up until 1 Jan 2010.
And we know for a fact roughly how many copies were sold after that, in the few weeks of 2010, namely 90K for the X360 version and 45K for the PS3 version in the four weeks up to 31 Jan 2010 which is the last week of data on VGC. Add a 60 or 70K for PC sales and you got roughly 200k sold in total since 1 Jan 2010, which adds to 2.7 mill.
Remember, I'm generous here.
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The current total is actually 3.2m according to EA.
200k sitting on the shelves /2nd tier distributors warehouse ( the ones who sell to small retail shops) is actually a fairly reasonable number though - yes, I could see 200k.
So yeah, total is 3.2m , sitting on the shelves is about 200k , ps360 sales around 2m , PC sales around 8-900k , margin of error about 200k that is semi-unaccounted for. Could be extras on shelves, could be untracked sales, its entirely possible PC version broke a million. (though I think 8-900k still closer to the mark)
I do not think there are a lot of unsold PC retail copies though, probably not more than 20-30k because AFAIK the only chains stocking them would be Best Buy and Wal-Mart, and even then PC games arent heavily "speculated" on, shipped PC retail copies very closely tied to preorders AFAIK due to generally weak Retail PC market. (tl;dr - everyone knows retail PC is weak so its unlikely most retails/distro bought a ton more than they could sell)
So yeah. Unless I am missing something you ar emore or less saying the same thing I am at this point.
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